Talk:Voice warning system

External link removal
Removed the following no longer valid external link: 22 Questions with four Canadian CF-18 Pilots, CF-18 Virtual Tour, Canadian Forces Air Command, retrieved 12 May 2007

88.39.201.194 (talk) 11:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Sound samples
Hello, I would like to have some samples here. They would have to be recorded by Wikipedians, because the common voices might be restricted for free usage. Who could record imitated alerts and stuff? That'll be great! I would like to give some time and effort in return. --Scriberius (talk) 01:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Name Explanation
This article states: "The name 'Betty' is a generic popular traditional name from the American culture, and is not derived from more recent uses of the word to describe an attractive female (in reference to Betty Rubble of The Flintstones)." Perhaps Betty was a "generic popular traditional name from the American culture" but not since the 60s - it's pretty clear this wasn't written by a native English (or U.S. English) speaker as "the American culture" should be just "American culture" if even that. Obviously, the choice of name was for alliterative effect to go with Bitchin' more than because it was "a generic popular traditional name" - again who wrote this Borat? I don't think anyone from the U.S. (or even our British friends) would use such a clunky construction. The reference to the Flinestones and attractive women is fairly obscure and sounds like padding by someone just creating filler (not to mention probably being original research in this context - how does the author know this?). Oh, there shouldn't be a comman after culture either. So, this statement misses the obvious reason why Betty is used, introduces a non sequitur by bringing in the Flinstones reference, possibly involves original research, is awkardly written in spots, and has one or more grammatical errors - other than that...Jmdeur (talk) 18:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Annunciation
Was Arrabito (under Voice Gender) really talking about annunciation or was it enunciation? 94.174.43.180 (talk) 05:25, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think enunciation is more the abstract noun, as in "quality of voice delivery", "diction", etc. So even though annunciation has a particular religious connotation, it may still be preferable here? The meaning is just essentially "the announcing voice"? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * In aviation, "annunciation" is a visual indication of status, such as the landing gear "down" green annunciator lights, or "surface deice fail" amber annunciator light, or "engine fire" red annunciator light. "Enunciation" is better IMO, but without access to the text, that is just an opinion. YSSYguy (talk) 02:25, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

BattleTech Franchise / MechWarrior's Bitching Betty
Hello, I do not want to do this myself because I think that could be taken as violation of Conflict_of_interest but I would like to let everyone know that MechWarrior Online and previous games/novels related to the BattleTech Universe use a voice referred to as "Bitching Betty" during the `mech startup sequence. I believe this is relevant to the article. ViterbiAlg (talk) 20:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have any source? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The name is used throughout the various BattleTech communities, but it's hard to nail down a specific source that's not simply the community using the term. Here's a reference to it on Sarna: "The system earned the name "Bitching Betty" and Caletra was quick to make modifications to the B-TT7i once they learned pilots took drastic actions, including shutting down the computer after launch, to silence it." Swift (aerospace fighter) Also, here's an official patch notes archive from MechWarrior Online, where the voice is referred to as Bitching Betty: "Bitching Betty will no longer repeat certain dialogue ("The base is being captured"). She really did like to hear her own voice." Patch Notes 1.2.261 ViterbiAlg (talk) 15:32, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * In MechWarrior games, Bitching Betty is voiced by Carole Ruggier. ViterbiAlg (talk) 15:32, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I don't know enough about BattleTech to know if this term is notable or not, or if it is, how best to source it. We don't typically use blogs/community discussion for anything. I could see it in a new "In popular culture" section except that most people's reaction to these kind of sections is "Whoop! Whoop! Avoid!!" Presumably audio samples might be possible from that domain? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:40, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


 * No need for apologies, we're all just trying to make Wikipedia accurate and informative here! There is now a recording available on the MechWarrior Online soundcloud page at https://soundcloud.com/mechwarrior/battlemech-bootup-sequence ViterbiAlg (talk) 19:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


 * How very soothing. She reminds me of the lady from Captain Kremmen. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Mentioned in TWiT
This article was used in an episode (1:18:30) of TWiT.tv. They weren't that happy (to say it nicely) about all the citation needed tags. FallingGravity 05:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Might be worth a note if the article, or at least here on the Talk Page. A reasonable discussion, that moved on, however briefly, to cars and GPSs. They did manage to get to the supported facts in the article. A perfectly valid point about there being no female pilots when the voice warnings were introduced. And no, they did not have cockpits which talked to you in 1938. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Voice Gender
The first two paragraphs read like someone just narrating (as is reinforced by the citation requests). It also seems to contradict the general (anecdotal) consensus that it's a combination of 1) lots of low sounds, the higher pitch stands out (partially addressed with a citation later, need to check it to make sure the source says what the text claims it does), 2) the majority of the voices on the radio were male, so the female voice stood out in the crowd. The second paragraph (just a single sentence) also seems to rectally source its conclusion: if more female ATCs and pilots on the radio is the cause, this doesn't refute, but rather confirms, that it was the female voice being an outlier that made it noticeable and encouraged its use. SporkWitch (talk) 201806010502 (UTC)
 * Rectally sourced does sound less than ideal. This article is quite interesting: It's an update on Robert Arrabito's 2009 Human Factors paper which is already cited. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 1 June 2018 (UTC)