Talk:Volga Finns

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The Russian Wikipedia has little material on the Volga Finns that is worth translating. --Ghirla-трёп- 14:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Russian sources are welcome, to combine to that information already in hands. But a lot is still missing and every piece of not yet published information in English Wikipedia is worth of transliteration to English. I have collected summary of the information which was published of Volga Finns up to 1939 from Finnish sources and some interesting details was found.

Volga-Kama Finno-Ugrians

 * Ar Tatar language name for Udmurt.
 * Arjaani Old Russian name in 1500´s for Udmurt.
 * Besermanni or Bessermanni speaking Udmurt language, but of race notable Mongol-Tatar appearence tribe in Viatka river district. Udmurt call them Busurma´nni.
 * Budin According to Herodotos describtion located to Udmurt.
 * Burtta originally presumably Vurtta. Most southern of Finno Ugrian tribes. Close contacts with Skyytta (Scythians). (In Russian Skif /Skith).
 * Ersä or Erza Mordvin tribe.
 * Handa-hui Ostjakki living on Kama.
 * Hanti self name for Ostjakki.
 * Jaran name used by Ostjakki of Nenetsi.
 * Jugra united name for Obi Ugrians.
 * Jögra Komi name for Obi Ugrians.
 * Karatai Tatarized Mordvins living in Kazan Oblast (Kasaanin lääni).
 * Kumaani, in Old Slavonic name for Kama Permians.
 * Kozla-Mari (larch or forrest Mari) is the self name for Meadow-Mari which are also called Forest-Mari. Sometime also called "Hard Mari".
 * Kuruk-Mari (Hill Mari) is selfname for Vuor (Mountain) Mari living south side of Volga. Sometime called also "Soft Mari".
 * Magyari the name the Hungarians use of themselves, but originally meaning only one of the seven Hungarian tribes, living nearest south of Handa-hui on the south side of Kama and Veher (Belaja) rivers. Moved to Bashkiria. Had connections to Mansi.
 * Manshi self name for Mansi.
 * Meri Russian Merja living between Mordva and Vepsä along Volga.
 * Metserä or Metseri Mordvin heimo (tribe) living north of Ersä and Moksha.
 * Moksha Mordvin tribe.
 * Moska Ancient Meri tribe lived along Moskova river.
 * Mordi Mordva by Jordanes.
 * Mordzkerl (Man of Men) Mordva in Old Prussian language.
 * Mortios (Man) Mordva in Old Lithuanian language.
 * Muromi Mordvin heimo (tribe).
 * Murdasa Bulgarian name for Mordva.
 * Odo Mari name for Udmurt.
 * Onogur or Ongr (Ungr) means ten Hungarian tribes.
 * Otjani (Otiny) name was used by the Russians for Udmurt, become later Votjani, then Votjak.
 * Ostjakki-Nenetsi great Netetsi tribe which lived in ancient times on upper source of Kama.
 * Perma name for Kama Culture. Other versions in different languages; Bermia, Bjarmia, Beorma, Permi, Permu, Perum. In early Novgorodian Annales in 1200s Perem, Perym. later Perma.
 * Permi combined name for Komi, Komi-Permjakki, and Udmurtti.
 * Por Mari name in Udmurt.
 * Sakaliba Arabian name for all Finno Ugrians in Volga-Kama area.
 * Samojedi general name for all Nenetsi tribes.
 * Saran Udmurt name for Komi-Permjakki
 * Sarmys Tsuvassi (Palkar) name for Mari.
 * Syrjääni in Finnish means Komi.
 * Terjuhaani Mordva (Ersä) tribe living in Nishnij Novgorod Oblast. Speaks Russian, but continues to use Mordva customs.
 * Tihveri Karelians Tver Karelians Karelians living in Tver Oblast
 * Tsherem-mes Meadow Man.
 * Tsermes Tatar name for Mari.
 * Tsheremissi Russian name for all Maris.
 * Udmurt self name for Votjakki.
 * Ugri Onogur general name for Hanti, Mansi, and Hungarians.
 * Upo-Mari Eastern Mari living in Bashkiria and western slopes of Urals along Ufa (Uva) River.
 * Vakul Komi name for Mansi.
 * Ves Russian name for Vepsä.
 * Visu Arabian name for Vepsä.
 * Vitka name for Udmurt living along the Vitka (Viatka) river.
 * Vjatitsi or Viatitsi name for Udmurt (and other Finnish tribes) living on the upper source of Oka river.
 * Votjaki Russian name for Udmurt.
 * Zarmis Kasaari (Khazar) name for Mari.
 * Yzmö Nenetsi name for Komi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.124.58 (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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Hi everyone, I have recently expanded the section on Muromas, as it was quite limited, and I found a youtube presentation that gives some interesting information about them, but I don't know if it fits to put a youtube video as a source. The video is a lecture by Estonian archaeologist and university professor Ain Mäesalu, so it's not just a random person talking, but an expert in the field. However I don't see any source option like this. Do you think I can use it as "news"? CriticKende (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)