Talk:Voltes V/Archive 1

Article too Filipino oriented
I believe this article is too Filipino oriented. It really needs a major rewrite that is more neutral in POV and not Filipino-centric in views.

I also think that a fair chunk of the Marcos/Revolution/Eraserheads/Philippino culture paragraphs need to be removed, as it has nothing to do with the show itself and its creation.

There are enough descriptions of the show's origins in the article. The "Philippine" section describes its significance to a WHOLE GENERATION OF FILIPINO CITIZENS (numbering today in the millions), the symptoms & whims of a dictatorial regime & a cultural/historical motivation for revolution. It should remain!

A drama show
I've seen Voltes V and it rocks, specially the one where their mother died. Tear jerker show - Hannibal

Great show, crappy animation
Voltes V, good story, bad animation - Tonglai

What year did you start watching Super Robot shows? the animation is at par and sometimes superior to its contemporaries in the year it was shown-1975 - Leader-1

1977-8, actually. Kouban 05:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Voltes V was the "Michael Jordan" of Super Robots!- Buddy Paraiso

Compared to today's animation/anime where you have the benefit of state-of-the-art animation/illustration techniques and computer graphics, what would you expect? But this show had heart & was involved in a turning point in the consciousness of a generation of Filipinos. "Heart" or emotional power is what this show had.

The name game
If Voltron's real name is GOLION, then where did Voltron Got it's name? Was it from VOLTES V?

They probably just wanted a cool-sounding word that would connect with "tron"Gladrius 13:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Voltron is definitely a copy of Voltes V in many aspects;

The 5-man team (Space Explorers in Voltron vs Young Earth Defense Agents in Voltes V) ; a multi-funtioning combination machine type (Voltron as Lion Robots and Voltes V as Super Earth defense space ships.)And then, the VOLT in Voltes V's name. (They should have called Golion "Liontron" if they realy do not intend to 'borrow" Voltes V's name.)

- Mark "Hentai" Jimenez

I fail to see how this proves anything, or is indeed relevant to the topic of Voltes V. The similarity of the names is coincidental unless proven otherwise, and the five-person sentai team concept dates back to Gatchaman. Voltes is merely the second series to add a five-piece robot to said concept, the first being its immediate predecessor, Combattler V. Kouban 17:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)\

The Voltes V and Voltron Comparison
Reply for Mr. Mark Jimenez. Obviously, Voltron copied most of the concepts in Voltes V and none of these concepts were polished and improved after being added to the Voltron series. These concepts were merely “copy pasted” and then added some cosmetics to show as originals.

1.       The Five Man team Concept- Voltron can get away with the reason that most Japanese sci-fi, be these as live action or animated, utilize the Five man team approach for their team heroes. 2.       The “Gattai” Concept- Again, Voltron can use this reason since there are scores of giant robot series that’s being formed by multi-functioning machines or smaller robots long before Voltes V came into being.

3.       The Giant Sword/final weapon concept- Clearly this is Voltes V’s original (Ten-ku-ken means "Sword of Heaven") The two Voltron shows imitated this as “The Blazing Sword.”

4.       The VOLT in Voltes V’s name. (It was so obvious that Voltron took Voltes V’s name because of the five man team concept, Gattai Concept and the Giant sword final weapon concept.)

Supposed a fight erupts between Voltron and Voltes V; who will be vanquished and who will be victorious?

Let’s scrutinize this objectively:

1.       The Skills and abilities of both teams:

There are no mentions of what kind of combat training the Voltron Force had under went in the academy. In regards to the Voltron episode I’ve seen so far, they were never subjugated under strict, harsh and extreme trainings. Let’s take the Voltron Force’s skill at face value; they were trained as space explorers. Perhaps, they can thoroughly navigate through deep space and they can handle the controls of different space craft under Galaxy Alliance specifications. That’s because they are Space Explorers!

The Voltes Team on the other hand, was highly skilled Earth Defense Agents. (Voltes V vol.1: Invasion from Outer Space) they are disciplined in such military and oriental combat skills as Karate, Judo, Kendo, Marksmanship and Ninjitsu.

General Oka, one of Camp. Big Falcon’s elderly base commander was a Ninja master. Further more, the Voltes Team most likely to use their martial arts skills to Voltes V’s deadly counter attacks (Voltes V vol.4: To Catch a butterfly)

More so, the Voltes Team underwent harsh and murderous training sessions under Dr. Sanjuki where they learned the lethal “Spin-Fly Technique”. (Voltes V vol.9: The need for rigid training.)

I strongly believe that between the Voltes Team and the Voltron Force, the Voltes Team in this aspect had the upper hand.

2.       Weapon Comparison of the Two super robots:

Voltron was known to carry an array of space weapons against the “Robeasts” from Planet Doom. (Note: Robeasts are giant monsters that looked like giant clay creatures and lumbers mindlessly like drunken frat boys.)
 * Voltron Eye beam
 * Voltron Cross-beam
 * Voltron Kick
 * Voltron Shield
 * Voltron Wing Attack
 * Voltron Lion Head attack
 * a variety of Voltron Missiles
 * The Voltron Blazing Sword

On the other hand, Voltes V sports an arsenal of Ninjitsu-based super weapons against the “Beast Fighters” from Planet Boazania. (Note: Beast fighters are sentient giant robot monster-war machines from Boazania. They are mostly covered in heavy armors, they can think, plan an attack and some of them are skilled in archery and swordsmanship.) But before Voltes V could use the Den-ku-ken, the great sword unleashes a powerful “Ultra-Electro Magnetic Ball.” This mighty ball of energy engulfs, weakens the armors and paralyzes the strongest of Voltes V’s opponents. Thus, Voltes V can easily bring down the Den ku ken at the trapped opponent and destroy it with ease. As an addition, Voltes V can even release several of the Ultra-Electro Magnetic Balls in rapid successions. One can just imagine how Voltron could fair against something like the Ultra-Electro Magnetic ball.
 * Chain Knuckles
 * Finger Missiles
 * Grand Fire
 * Voltes Kick
 * Voltes Bazookas
 * Ultra-Electro magnetic Tops
 * Ultra-Electro magnetic Beam
 * Ultra-Electro Magnetic Whip
 * The Big V Sword "Sword of Heaven"(Den Ku ken.)

3.       Human sentimentality in both shows: Most episodes of Voltron I’ve seen, contains no dramatic display of human sentiments what so ever. Yes, the Japanese of Voltron (Golion) had one of the Voltron members die. But in the “tampered” U.S. version, the character Sven retired from service. (Talk about dedication) The animated series even had a Disney- wannabe ambiance embodied by Space mice, beautiful princesses, castles and keeps and evil witches. There is nothing in this animated show that I can relate to: No sufferings of slaves, no uncertainties and indecisiveness among the main characters, no cries of anguish among the war victims. What’s even cornier is the fact that every time a Voltron episode starts to close, a character religiously proclaims Voltron: Defender of the Universe. Then they made this “Voltron in 3rd Dimension”; a computerized rendering of Voltron. This does not help at all. All I could see are animated action figures and a 30 minute commercial of a rehashed robot toy for kids to nag at their parents to buy.

Sadly, I can only level Voltron with other corny cartoons like He-Man, Thunder Cats, Scooby-Doo, the Herculoids, Thundar the Barbarian, Denver-the Last dinosaur and the Gobots. Missing one or fifteen episodes of Voltron means nothing, really.

Voltes V was a different ball game all together: The animated series was a tear jerker among youngsters and a quaint source of inspiration for older viewers. Voltes V highlights human sentimentality and emphasize the notion of the defense of one’s homeland, is a noble and desirable act.

Unlike other cartoon series in those era, Voltes V depicts the cruelty and barbarity of a mighty alien invasion force over the suffering Boazanian slaves and conquered Earth people altogether. The Voltes team was not “puppets” or mere mechanical components of Voltes V; The team had their own differences, feelings and sensibilities towards their team mates, and to the other supporting characters. They are young human warriors who witnessed the death of their self sacrificing mother and longed the warm love of a long lost father.

Buddy Paraiso

Secondly, Voltron was *not* the first series to feature a five-member sentai team with a five-piece combining robot; if anything were being ripped off, it would be Combattler V. Kouban 14:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * First, can we use the proper names here? Are you referring to Golion here or Dairugger?

My Reply

Voltes V and Combattler V had only one creator and that’s Tadao Nagahama and it looks like that Voltes V is an improvement of Combattler V, in robot design, character personalities and story.

Most characters in Combattler V are immature and irresponsible, specially their Professor/ coordinator who is a sloppy drunkard. There was also an episode where the Combattler V leader prefers to watch cartoons instead than battle the invaders. All of this in a story line set in a future world supposedly being invaded by hostile alien aggressors using giant machines to conquer.

With this kind of personality the Combattler V team shows, no wonder Tadao Nagahama created Voltes V!

Voltes V Team on the other hand, showed utmost dedication to their profession; they are highly skilled and alert, it looks like Tadao Nagahama could throw Combattler V into the trash can any time and replaced it with Voltes V instead!

It’s just like one episode of “Knight Rider” where David Hasslehoff’s character encountered another computerized talking car made by the same company who developed his side kick talking car “K.I.T.T.” When asked if Kitt felt insecure that “K.a.r.r.” (The villain computerized talking car) was the first to be created, K.i.t.t replied nonchalantly: “I am the Improvement of “K.a.r.r.”

Final battle comparisons of Voltes V and Combattler V:

Even in their show’s “Final Battle scenes” Voltes V proves advantage against Combattler V

In Combattler V’s ending, the Combattler V super robot over-heats and bogs down after fighting off the last enemy robot. Unable to eject out of their giant super defender, the Combattler team awaits their fate from an oncoming alien armada from the report they received from their “Nambara Connection” base.

Lucky for them, it turns out that the said “armada” is only a large “clean up” committee sends by the planet from where the alien criminal came from. The planet’s government even apologies to the Earth People for the uncalled conduct of their fallen comrade.

In Voltes V’s ending, Voltes V along with The Solar Falcon (Big Falcon turns to a space station) brought the war in Planet Boazania’s doorsteps.

Voltes V liberated the Boazanian slaves from the cruel reign of Emperor Zanbasil, destroyed the Boazanian monarchy and crushed its haughty imperialistic ways.

Voltes V even battled with Boazania’s last defender, the “Boazanian God of War” piloted by Prince Heinnel (Prince Zardoz) where the Voltes team members, the Go brothers (Armstrong brothers) learned that their long time enemy is really their half brother!

Kennichi (Steve), Daijiro (Big Bert) and Hiyoshi (Little Jon) were reunited with their long lost father and Voltes V returns to Earth as its ever ready defender.


 * As much as I hate to continue this pointless discussion further, there was no mention of an oncoming Campbellian armada in the final episode of Combattler. The threat that the Battle Team found themselves unable to stop was an "Earth Bomb," which was drilling towards the earth's core and set to detonate when it got there, thus destroying the earth.

In any case, this discussion is far better suited to a message board than a wikipedia talk page. Kouban 14:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Voltron (Golion: King of a hundred beasts) on the other hand was not a Tadao Nagahama creation and it was so obvious that the creator (or creators) use elements from Voltes V and Combattler V to create “Gattai lion bots.” The American distributor uses the VOLT which came from Voltes V's name. This is undeniebly a rip-off! Isn’t it so obvious that Voltron (Golion) is a rip-off of both Voltes V and Combattler V both in Japan and in the U.S?

In the toy designs created by Bandai (Godaikin toy line) Combattler V still had many add-ons every time the robot toy disassembles to become the Combattler Machines.

Whereas in the Bandai rendition of Voltes V (Godaikin Toy line), only the Volt Bomber 2 part needs an add-on. Another thing, The Combattler V toy could not lock its components properly because the manufacturers used magnet locking devices. You still have to put a rubber strip to hold the robot toy together. Unlike The Voltes V toys (Also under Bandai’s Godaikin line) Use sturdy plastic couplers as locking mechanisms. (Even in the toy line, Voltes V proves to be Combattler V’s superior!.)

Buddy Paraiso (Voltes V forever!)

Character profiles
We need profiles of more characters than just the core Voltes Team. This isn't solely their story; what about the Big Falcon staff and the Boazans?

Content
most of the content of the article is from the old Questor (a local anime promotional company which is owned/partly owned by the network that aired Voltes V here in the Philippines in the 1970's) promotional magazine. The problem is that Questor made up most of the content (for the lack of it) since there aren't Japanese sourcebooks for it when it aired in Japan. In those days, only the most popular robots get their own sourcebooks. Nowadays, model kits provide the technical specifications of the mecha but model kits (for mecha that is) were not yet available when Voltes V was aired in Japan.

What needs to be cleaned up because of being "Questored": 1. The character profiles 2. The Volt Machines 3. The Boazans

Yeah I think so too. The only problem is that there are only a few sites that have such info. I must agree with the model kit thing because they do have the specifications in scale. I think I remember seeing a model with the info. I see if I can get it. Only problems, it's in Japanese, I need a scanner for anyone to translate it, and heaven help me...P9000 because the five parts are in die-cast metal! --MaskedRiderGatack 15:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Japanese shows that made it big in the Philippines
The list that was recently added should be moved onto its own page, as it's not relevant to Voltes V.

I agree this whole section concerning Voltes V and Philippines must be moved into a sub-category. The article is about Voltes V not some "theory" that lacks substantial proof about Philippine "so called Voltes V codeword for revolution." Move it or delete it that is my suggestion. JonSnow 01:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

How about its impact?
How about its impact in the Philippines outside of the Marcos issue? I know Ang Dating Doon used the main theme as its "fellowship" song. - 上村七美 | talk 15:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Redundancy...
There's a fair amount of redundancy in this article: For example, why are there two descriptions for each of the supporting Earthling characters? Someone needs to clean this up, and hopefully soon. Kouban 03:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Pictures/Images
I Added Some Pictures of Voltes V and The Voltes Team RancidRice 11:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the picture in the info box didn't have the proper source, copyright and license information. It's been tagged for deletion for about a week now and eventually, it was removed just this afternoon. I put up a temporary picture in the info box. You can go ahead and replace it but be sure to put the proper license tag next time. Thanks a mil. Doberdog 10:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)Doberdog

Marcos' Ban
I think Marcos was spot on when he banned Voltes V and the other related anime for their violence. I used to watch Daimos when I was a kid and I can remember a particular scene where the big bald guy from Ulrich's army went looking for replacement slaves. He and his men were able to catch a family of humans composing of a mother, father and two kids. Baldy commanded his men to "Kill the weak ones!". Well, only the father was not machine-gunned so he can be a slave. I was only in fourth grade at that time and even then I muttered to myself, "Hey, that ain't right."

I can also remember a scene in Voltes V where Voltes was fighting a tough beast-fighter. A gunman from Camp Big Falcon fired a laser with his canon to try and distract the beast-fighter. The laser missed its target. The beast fighter turned and obliterated the cannon and the poor gunman (whose final words were "I'm sorry!"). Seeing this, Kenichi (Steve) said, "Oh no! The cannon is detroyed!" At that time, my brothers and I laughed at the idea that the death of the gunman was totally ignored. Wasn't somebody supposed to say "Oh no. the poor bastard got vaporized. Send a fruit basket to his family"?

Being an anime fan for so many years, I can really say that similar scenes happen often in the series. Voltes V and the other anime are great. But they can depict war in a horrifyingly creative/realistic way. Filipino kids watched them regularly (with all the death and destruction). If I were the president at that time, I'd ban them too. But I'd surely keep the ones that aren't too violent, like Danguard Ace and Starzinger. I guess by banning all of them, Marcos went too far. -AYBABTU


 * I find it funny that people try to find a deep political reason why Marcos banned the robot shows back in the late 1970's. The Boazanian emperor is a representation of Marcos & Dr. Armstrong is Benigno Aquino?!?!? Now that's something.

But thanks to this article, I was relieved to find common sense prevail. I was 8 years old when I saw Voltes V back in 1979, and I didn't see any political messages against the Marcos presidency at that time. THERE WERE NONE. I was so engrossed in enjoying the action, the colorful cartoons & the adventure story of Voltes V. There were also the toys, the stickers, funstuff & the atmosphere amongst us kids my age who shared a love for this cartoon and others like it. It was truly a good time to be a kid in the Philippines. That's it! Nothing more. Of course, I cried when I learned it was banned! I wasn't thrilled at the sugar & spcie shows they replaced Voltes V with like Candy Candy, so I went on with my young life. And I agree, I did started hating Ferdinand marcos from then on! It's good the we threw him out severeal years later in edsa 1986.

Marcos tried to be the "big daddy" to every boy & girl at that time - trying to protect us from the violence shown in the Voltes V cartoons, which is tame compared to today's anime cartoons. And now, looking back at it, I didn't appreciate the act because it was truly an infringement on personal liberites & the expression of the arts. Did he truly believe that Voltes v's violence was going to have a lasting impact on us? Was Voltes V going to make us into violent lazer-swrod-cutting people?

I'm in my thirties now, happily married, in a good business which I worked hard for, with 3 fantastic children and enjoying Voltes V in video with my kids. It's something I enjoy along with watching the cartoons they like now. I'm their father & I know what they like and what's best for them. If Marcos tried being the ultimate "father knows best" for us back in the 1970's, it was really a bad move on his part. - Ex-Martial Law Baby


 * The comment "Marcos was a victim of the Death march, he even think that Japan may dominate if possible" is still in contention. There are doubts whether Marcos fought in the Japanese occupation of the Philippines during World War II. This stemmed after his ouster after the People Power Revolution of 1986 where it was revealed that his military medals, citations & honors (garnered from his, supposed, resistance/guerilla work) were all fake. There have been speculations that he did collaborate with the Japanese forces.


 * Personally, I think this analysis of the Marcos issue should be cut down severely and/or moved to its own article. As it is, the article's way too long already. Kouban 01:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

General Cleanup NOW
The page requires a general cleanup. This article writes primarily in an in-universe style, and is heavily biased towards the Philippine edition and its effects on the society. Though I am Filipino as well, I feel that the page has excessively exceeded the bounds of neutrality.

Therefore, I request someone with knowledge of the subject rewrite the article with a neutral POV, putting information into context, citing references, and performing general cleanup. ArrenRedemptio 18:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Article Muddled with Issues
I've read into the article further, and it is clear that the issue with this article is much more serious.

Not only is the plot section overly long, the sections about the 'Marcos Issue' and the 'Triumphant Philippine Return' are written like essays, and give no citations whatsoever on sources. On top of that, weasel words/phrases dispute this article's neutrality, such as the phrase 'despite protests from some minor conservative groups'. Who are these groups, and what gives the writer authority to judge them as 'minor'?

Overall, I believe the problem with the article is that the collective Philippine local fanbase (with particular notice to 'Martial Law Babies'), contributed to what the article is today. This is not bad, per se; but Wikipedia is not the place for you to write about your personal feelings/opinions on the subject, no matter how collective you may be.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a soapbox for blatantly biased opinions.

This article should be rewritten, preferrably by someone with knowledge on the subject, but can maintain a neutral POV.

If such cannot be found, I will rewrite the article myself, sans all the material that the 'fans' may miss (such as the whole Marcos Issue, and most of the plot summary). ArrenRedemptio 17:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What would the purpose of removing the plot summary be? Personally, if I had to choose one section to keep while the others were removed, it would be the plot summary, albeit with a rewrite. Kouban 00:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

That is just the thing. I am not an expert on the subject, so I may inadvertly remove things that may be pertinent to the plot. This is why I wish that someone with knowledge on this rewrite the article instead of me. Thank you for your notice, by the way. =)

Let me quote from the article to demonstrate needed revisions:

"The Galactic Center was finally brought under Boazan's imperial rule. And in the year 2094, Boazan reached the periphery of the Galactic Center where Earth was the first of the outer worlds assaulted. The Imperial war officials supposed planet earth as the easiest to subjugate. However, this was not the case. Earth has Voltes V."

That last bit about 'Earth has Voltes V' does not seem like an encyclopedic statement, don't you agree? Also, the article needs some attention to tone and grammar, like that 'earth' with a small e.

Kouban, would you know anyone who can edit this article with a NPOV? ArrenRedemptio 08:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Cut down
I've deleted a large portion of this article; anyone with a proper grasp of English grammar and spelling should feel free to redo the section on the Phillipine broadcast, but keep it short without any wild speculation as to political motivations behind the series's cancellation. Kouban 01:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Excellent, Kouban. The article has really improved under your revision.

I shall see what I can do to help, now that you've cleaned up. ;) ArrenRedemptio 18:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Excellent Revision Progress
I see from the history log that several users have made their own contributions to the betterment of this article, form-wise. I commend all these users...keep up the good work! ArrenRedemptio 18:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

In-universe Style Revision
Plenty of the character and plot details (like the Boazanian Invader section), are still written in an in-universe style. Please try to put the materials into the correct perspective. ArrenRedemptio 15:01, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Fancruft Trivia
A trivia section is added on to articles with miscellaneous information that does not fall into any of the article's main categories. It is not a free-for-all area where one can stuff fan-based material; such is the case with modifications by a user named 'Power Geyser', who has changed the SRW trivia to be more explicit and fancruft-like. I have returned it to a previous state, which is superior by far in maintaining an encyclopedic POV.

For instance, the term 'Final Nagahama Special' appears to be a fan-coined term, not an official term.

Let's try to move forward with the improvement of this article, rather than reverting to the fancruft article this was a while back. ArrenRedemptio 23:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Trivia Section Integration
As it turns out, Wikipedia takes a slightly newer stance on Trivia sections; such sections should be avoided and relevant material in them integrated into the main article itself. To those who are knowledgable, please integrate pertinent information into the article so we may remove the Trivia section altogether soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ArrenRedemptio (talk • contribs) 08:54, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

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Maintain the FILIPINO POINT OF VIEW!

To detractors & pretentious individuals like ArrenRedemptio, your objectives are too general and all sweeping. While subscribing to the Western standards of Wikipedia, you are overshadowing the signficance of Voltes V and its impact on a generation of Filipinos - your countrymen as you claim you are! This is a part of Filipino history, albeit a foreign contribution, but such points of view should not be belittled by you or your like. There is a phrase in Filipino which describes people like you - "crab mentality". In other words, a person who likes to bring other people to their own level (and a very pretentious & grand-standing one at that). You may air your views, but don't block out others as if you are the final authority over this issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.163.196.58 (talk) 09:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Pretentious, you say? All I am doing is preserving an encyclopedic view on things. I believe that the series may have (and probably did) had an effect on an entire generation of Filipinos. However, the previous appearance of the article looked like the main view of the article was solely for the Filipinos...including the character names, etc. Why should that be? Should an international article focus on the aspects of the Filipino view? Just because it is important to *some* people? Do not call me pretentious if you support such a view...look who's talking.


 * The sections of the Marcos Issue sounded more like the personal essay of someone who lived through that era. While I find essays to be very fine and dandy, this is not the avenue to place such a thing. This is an encyclopedia, not a personal blog.


 * Now, if you can place the Filipino view in the proper context, namely making it a neutral statement, without bias, without allegations, without theories and whatnot, then I will welcome that addition with open arms.


 * I aim for an article that we can all be proud of, and not only be written-off as another cruft/biased article in Wikipedia. Now, if you'd rather backslide and use the biased versions of this article, be my guest. Just know that if you do so, you may inadvertly have this article marked for deletion due to it being heavily muddled with issues (I have seen articles that had this problem).


 * On a side note, if I have Crab Mentality, then why am I even helping in the development of this article? Perhaps you should examine your own stance, as by preventing change in this article, you yourself are pulling people, who wish for change, down. ArrenRedemptio (talk) 03:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Moving out certain sections...
Article's getting too long, we need to cut some parts of it and have them moved. If anyone's not doing it, I'll probably do so in a few weeks. I'll also remove the years that the Boazanian military came to Earth. They're not cited properly. Ominae (talk) 07:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. If anyone wants the omitted parts restored, please cite proper sources for them first, and rewrite the material in proper form. ArrenRedemptio (talk) 18:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Either that or I'm willing to make an infobox for this. This lacks episodes and maybe some parts of the infobox will have creators stuff and a page dedicated to the political issue on Marcos and all that jazz. I'd do the same for Daimos, but I haven't seen it for a while. And let's not get into Combattler. Never liked it. Ominae (talk) 22:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)