Talk:Volvariella volvacea

Death cap mentions that "Asian immigrants in North America and Europe often mistake the death cap for the edible paddy straw mushroom (Volvariella volvacea) due to their similarity in appearance". So I suggest that we mention that on this page as well Bayle Shanks 08:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Fungal infection
Can we get a source on the cited case of fungal infection causing death? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.172.189.88 (talk) 20:02, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Move proposal

 * Move to Straw mushroom. Badagnani (talk) 07:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm..interesting. Technically plants (and fungi I guess) are by extension under their scientific name unless cultivated. We had an issue with Agaricus bisporus as that name was universal, whereas what adjective was placed before mushroom was disputed. Here, I always knew them as Paddy stray mushrooms, or was it padi straw mushrooms...be good to get a clear idea as to which comon name has precendence. maybe best at move page place. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's equivalent to shiitake or morel. Badagnani (talk) 08:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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Does any body has any information about another variety of straw mushroom - one that grows on old termite mounts?
Hi everyone,

Back in the 1980s, while I was in Vietnam (Vinh Long province, south Vietnam), my family moved to an orchard growing fruit trees. Due to the after-effects of the war, much of the garden beds was in fallow state and had quite a few termite colonies around, especially around one old shed of stored firewood. After the moonsoon rains, mushrooms that are identical in size and shape to cultivated straw mushrooms sprouted from the earth above old termite mounts. The only different is their flavor and smell after cooking is much superior, as much as three to 1 (personal evaluation). I used to pick them for my mother who cooked them for the family meal. In the southern area, they are well known as Nấm Mối - literally, "termites mushroom". Is this another species? Any information will be much appreciated and will make the article on straw mushroom more complete. Thank you all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skepticus (talk • contribs) 11:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Skepticus: I deleted the text about the termite mushroom from the main article because it violated Wikipedia's no original research policy. I do, however, think would be very useful content to include and I encourage you to find some kind of document you can cite as a reference.

--quasistoic (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, this mushroom is probably Termitomyces albuminosa. Photo here. The current name is Macrolepiota albuminosa. See this Google search. Badagnani (talk) 20:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Date and location of first cultivation
Apparently these are fairly new in Asian cuisines. Where and when were they first cultivated as an edible mushroom? Badagnani (talk) 21:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Picture
Someone has got to have a better picture for the species than something out of a can! I wanted to see in what way they resembled Amanita phalloides. --jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 07:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * They were not canned, they were frozen. Badagnani (talk) 07:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, so, something out of the freezer. --jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 08:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can find one. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Bother, nothing yet :( Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Dangers
That last paragraph is very uninformative due to excessively glossing over why the misidentification occurs and also because taking spore prints is often not really that relevant:

but can be distinguished by their pink spore print; the spore print is white for death caps. Despite this fact, many people, especially immigrants from Southeast Asia, where the mushroom is commonplace, have been poisoned making this mistake

You need to distinguish between a proper botanical identification and *field* identification. The sort of people that forage for mushrooms are going to go on cues such as visual appearance and surrounding ecology or substrate (grassland, woodland, manure, etc.) in order to decide which shrooms they pick and which they leave. What we apparently have here is a problem with people transplanted from one ecosystem to another not understanding the local identification rules. The rules they use to identify the shrooms at home apparently don't work in the new environment. I think that it's highly likely that the people making the misidentification wouldn't even consider the need to make a spore print. Chances are that they don't even know that that's how you would make the *botanical* distinction.

So what I'm trying to say here is that we've got an intersection of issues going on here: botanical vs field identification, a "fish out of water" scenario (immigrants) and also issues surrounding different, but similar, ecosystems (the new one having a new misidentification risk that didn't occur back home). At the very least someone should try to determine whether death caps are commonly found in SE asia and try to tease out exactly why people from there are more prone to making mistakes. Talking about spore prints just sounds completely spurious unless it's given more context (like what I'm attempting to do here). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.11.65.206 (talk) 01:22, 25 July 2014 (UTC)