Talk:Volvo 440/460

The article states: "Early cars were available in GL, GLE and GLT trims. The GL trim level was basic; GLE was plush; and GLT was the 'luxury' trim level." I don't think this is correct. I live in Europe and my 440 from 1989 is a GL with carburettor. All the GLE models I know of use injection (The E is from German which means Einspritzung=Injection). Maybe GLT is the Turbo version. Not many people in Europe would go for a turbo version of this car model at that period of time. Some people went for the GLE version just to avoid dealing with a manual choker. The manual of my car states three different models: carburetted, injected or turbo. It also mentions extras that are optional/luxury for all models: catalytic converter, antilocking brakes, central door locking, power steering, and other things. The manual states and demonstrates that you get the most horsepower without the most expensive extra equipment: a catalytic converter, and that you will run best on 98 octane leaded. You could choose if you wanted the extras and pay a lot more, or just get a good car without the extras and save a lot of your money. I'm not really sure if that GLx has anything to do with the luxury level in that way. Maybe USA had different versions of this car.

In the UK, both the original 440 GL and GLE were available with carburettor and single-point fuel injection. However, the GLT was only available with multi-point injection. "Turbo" was a separate trim level.

GLE was a higher trim level than GL, both badges being common to several models of Volvo of the period. GLT was considered higher still, but (particularly on the 440) it had a sporty edge.

The Volvo 400 series was not sold in the USA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.247.83.33 (talk) 14:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Merge with Volvo 440
The article for the Volvo 460 mentions that the car is essentially a 440 with a different tail end. I'm proposing to merge the two articles as there doesn't seem to be much difference between the two. Alastairward (talk) 21:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge done, let me know if anything is badly out of place Alastairward (talk) 09:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

who says
it is problematic?? come one I owned one ok! I know it's a fine car. Only problem is with the radiator that always leaks and consumes engine oil after 5000km but its not problematic. gimme a break60.50.79.177 (talk) 15:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Not really a Volvo
I am still looking for written/published documents to support this claim, but I have heard from many sources in the Volvo community that Volvo actually sold the intellectual property of the G12 project to the Dutch, who built the car independently of Volvo Sweden. This, the Renault drive train and the relatively poor build quality, are the reasons the Volvo community doesn't really consider this car to be a true Volvo. --Brinkie (talk) 20:28, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That sounds like serious original research to me, and the fact that you changed the article to say it was a Dutch car is totally inappropriate. Whether the Volvo community considers it to be a "true Volvo" is utterly irrelevant, as are any concerns over build quality, and indeed the drive train (which was carried over from several previous Volvos). And even if the car was built independently of Volvo Sweden (which is a hugely sketchy claim when made with no evidence whatsoever), it was badged as a Volvo and sold as a Volvo Sweden product. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 20:34, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes that would be original research if I did put it in the article, which I didn't! If I can find a proper claim, I will definitely write something about it.
 * It was, like the 66 and the 300-series, badged as a Volvo, to the regret of many Volvo fans. ;-) However, Volvo only facilitated the marketing and sales, and the worldwide spare part supply. Design and production was the responsibility of their Dutch subsidiary Volvo Car B.V. (the former DAF factory) and from 1991 onwards, the company was called NedCar when the Dutch state and Mitsubishi each bought 1/3 of the shares. The article says that NedCar produced the 400-series from 1987 onwards, but in the first four years of production NedCar didn't exist. You reverted my correction on that...
 * BTW: the drive train wasn't carried over from previous Volvos, as they were all rear wheel drive! Only the 1721cc engine was used in the Volvo 340, but that was mated to a Volvo gearbox driving the rear wheels. So the former DAF designers took the Renault 9 as example, together with Renault's F3-engine and JC5-gearbox, to create a front wheel drive car. Volvo did share this experience to create the 850, which is for many Volvo fans the first true Volvo with front wheel drive... --Brinkie (talk) 21:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * "NedCar factory", not NedCar - there is a difference there. The 440/460 carried over the drivetrain from the 480. Again, it really doesn't matter what you consider to be a "true Volvo", and it is not productive to be talking about that here. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 21:55, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sigh. You failed to see that the 480 is the coupe version of the same car my friend. But I am no longer putting energy and time in this discussion, it is fine where it is as you will always have the final word. ;-) Cheers, Brinkie (talk) 22:29, 26 May 2015 (UTC)