Talk:Vril Society

Germany v Prussia
Let us be entirely clear. There is a huge and substantial difference between the two cultures. The Prussians formed the Prussian Army, which formed their paramilitary spy organization, which formed the FreiKorp, etc. The FreiKorp was a group of spy's which existed from 1754 to present. about 100 branches of small units operating around the western world designed to topple governments in order for Prussian influence to reign. The Germans on the other hand are an entirely and completely different culture.

The Germans formed the Thule Society which was a German not Prussian Think tank designed to examine and explore the secrets to the Garden of Eden. From 1806 to 1917 the previous 100 if not 1000 versions of the Thule Society itself were outlawed and renamed, based on where that branch was located and where the boarder of Prussia was. The Prussians hated all think tanks they did not control because they hated anyone who might develop weapons which might defeat them. Or worse tell them "no". Although the Thule Society officially only lasted less than 18 months on paper. Its 109 previous names had nothing at all to do with the rise of the Third Reich.

To prevent being outlawed again, and the most important part was the Prussian Government would seize all paperwork, question/interrogate its members, and take its treasury. The new Thule Society formed a Political Party to build itself a shield wall. That Political Party instantly attracted the attention of the FreiKorp. Members began to join the DAP, but were not allowed to join the Thule Society. Over 6 to 8 months sufficient secret FreiKorp members joined to give them a solid voting block. In walked Adolf with orders from his Commanding Officer in the Prussian Army; go in, be not a threat, join, start to maneuver, bring to a vote some of our changes, remove the existing power base, invite 100s of your fellow Freikorp to join, then destroy the DAP in favor of a bran new named NAZI Party.

If we cannot get them out the old fashion way, we will join and cancer corrupt from within. The Germans formed the Thule Society, as an academic think tank. The Prussians wanted weapons. Two entirely separate cultures. The second operating with the mask of others to hide their true evil. In this case Thule and behind that mask German culture. Despite the fact they are Prussians.

Crusades
The Crusades are a very difficult and confusing subject to bring up. The Crusades began just a few years after the Ogle family from Northumberland arrived back in their homeland after defeating the Muslims in England. The Muslims were sent packing. From Mecca both the shia and sunni were more than a little angry about that. So they regrouped their army and sent them towards Anatolia peninsula to invade Europe from the east. Upon arriving in the area of Constantinople, the Ogles began to dismantle the Constantinople library and bring it out of harms way knowing the city was about to fall to Muslim Hands and the library would be obliterated like the last 10000 times Esau's descendants come across libraries they did not like.

The Ogle army was too strong by the time they reached Levant Jerusalem to attack, so the yet to be called that Teutonic Knights simply had to watch the Ogle family work under the temple mound, take out treasures, books, etc. and cart it back home. But they were not allowed near any of those Treasures. The overwhelming fear caused them to need to leave Levant Lands and travel to Slovakia areas, conquer them and set up their own kingdom. Prussia. The Prussians knew that their neighbor to the west were very close allies with the British. The two cultures shared technology between them. So all the Prussians had to do was wait for a while, then began to attack the Germans to gain access to the information found under the temple mound. Which they both did and proceeded to repeat pattern every day from 1250-present.

German wiki
Sam, the German Wikipedia describes the Vril society as complete fiction in the very first sentence. Andries 06:48, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * It sounds like junk to me also, but appears to be a real story, if nothing else. I have never heard of it until I found it on nazi mysticism myself, but we need to be impartial. Can we find some sources which believe it existed? Does anyone today claim to be/have been a member? Where does this story come from, etc... Sam [Spade] 05:38, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * The german article is very insightful, but is very short, w only german references. I think more verification would be best. Is this "vril" the source of the endlessly amusing "nazi's on the moon" stories? When I was young I studied paranormal/cult fringe theories, and the idea of nazi's on the moon was always quite funny to me as a boy, partially because of its possibilty (nazi's had the v-2 rocket, and most of the NASA space program came from operation paperclip... ;) Sam [Spade] 05:48, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It may be junk and it may be just amusing, yet there may also be things that might be verifiable too, such as the story of a twelve year old German princess who was supposedly recruited by von Sebottendorf of the Thule Gesellschaft, at her aunt's funeral, to become a trainee as a medium for the Vril Gesellschaft. If anyone wishes to try verifying any facts in this story, the girl's great aunt was Franzeska princess of Oettingen who died 25 March 1931 and, by the 15 September 1931, her great niece, also called Franzeska, was manifesting ectoplasm in occult rituals for Maria Orschitsch, as one of her Vril Damen or Vrilerinnen. They were given occult names such as Traute, Sigrun, Gudruna, and Heike. Supposedly, according to the story, Franzeska was considered special and gifted to contact the extraterrestrial race of Aldebaranians because she was considered "pure Aryan royalty". The technology for the "saucers" from the Jenseitflugmaschine of 1922 to the VRIL 7 of 1945 were supposed to be coming from these Aldebaran transmissions through the psychic girls. Nazi scientists were considered desirable by both Us and Soviet scientists shortly after the war, when Patton was given some documentation of the rocket program. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Horstwessel33 (talk • contribs) 17:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Not sure just how this format is supposed to go but I have some details about the escape of Maria Orsic, who headed up the Vril Society, in 1945. It was a nazi war criminal (who was incidentally never caught and tried) called Hans-Georg Schmidt von Altenstadt who had got out ahead of time when things started looking hopeless. Von Altenstadt was awarded the Iron Cross 8 May 1944, promoted to Major-General 1 July 1944, but still escaped 25 July 1944 wearing bandages over his eyes and faking a wound. He was a devotee of Maria Orsic and supposedly married one of her Vril maidens and helped Orsic escape in 1945. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LeslieElwoodBrooks (talk • contribs) 19:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC) Some more details about this. General von Altenstadt was married to the Vril Maiden called Franziska Oettingen who was the niece of one of Orsic's original supporters, Franziska Romana, who donated a diamond tiara to help finance the Vril Society before her death 25 March 1931. Her niece, Franziska Oettingen, was disowned by the Oettingen family when she became a Vril Maiden 15 September 1931. Von Altenstadt helped Orsic escape 11 March 1945 and none of the three was ever caught or tried. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LeslieElwoodBrooks (talk • contribs) 19:28, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

There is currently ( as of 7/10/2013) a photograph of Hans-Georg Schmidt von Altenstadt at [] if anyone can scan it for this wiki article soon because it is for sale for $88.00 and may not be there long.

amusing references

 * http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Vril_Society.htm


 * http://sociologyesoscience.com/steinerschauberger.html


 * http://www.violations.org.uk/


 * http://www.crystalinks.com/vril.html


 * http://ufocasebook.com/ufooccultreich.html

aha!
Vril: The Power of the Coming Race by Edward Bulwer Lytton lll — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.4.69 (talk) 21:32, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Dispute
I will be removing the dispute header shortly, as we now have a great deal of references that many people believed/believe in "vril". The article should reall be focusing on vril rather than the society aspect... I think I may move the page. Sam [Spade] 06:16, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I moved the page. Feel free to explain objections, and what facts there may be. I am very dubious of Eric P Wijnants being any better a source of information than the various (likely insane ;) individuals in my citations. Does he have any special expertise? Sam [Spade] 06:31, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Maria
In 2009 at there appear to be 2 spelling variations given:
 * August: Horstwessel33 writes Maria Orschitsch
 * December: LeslieElwoodBrooks writes Maria Orsic

Which is the correct spelling? Do any reliable sources affirm this person existed or that they were important in any way? Unihoof (talk) 07:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * There are pictures of and books about the women of vril. I own many. Willy Ley (a German scientist repatriate to American who has a crater named for him on the back of the moon) claimed that the vril society was using Orsics’ vision of the merkaba to engineer hyper dimensional access. 2600:1700:A810:4DB0:F1EB:915:3266:386F (talk) 12:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Maria Orsich
She was not from earth. She was from Taygeta a planet in the Plaides Star system which is very close to ours. She had a specific mission. 174.78.6.29 (talk) 00:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)