Talk:Vroom

AFD
It is an often used word that may be misunderstood, therefore typed into the search bar of Wikipedia for more info. I understand WP is not a dictionary, but I think this word appears in a large number of place, and its meaning misunderstood enough, that an article is worth merit. David Able (talk) 02:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed the tag and did a lot of work on the article today. I think it is most (but not only) notable as an example of early an childhood vocalization in numerous reliable texts.  If nothing else, even as an example, it is used so often, that I think it is notable.  I am also requesting a page move to (vocalization). --David Able (talk) 00:19, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved to Vroom, per discussion below. - GTBacchus(talk) 21:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Vroom (Onomatopoeia) → Vroom (vocalization) &mdash; OK, wrote this originally as Vroom (Onomatopoeia) but have changed my mind and don't have the tools to move it. So, I am going to explain why I think that (vocalization) is the way to go here, rather than (word) or (slang) or something else. I apologize if this is a little lengthy. Here we go: "Vroom" is not only an onomatopoeia, it is a cross-lingual onomatopoeia, common in many different languages; it is considered an imitative sound; and it is also (this is the important part about moving it to "vocalization") in some cases not considered a word at all, but rather a very common vocalization or sound uttered often in early speech development, usually in the course of child play. It is cited over and over again as an example of a common early childhood vocalization, an often utilized in language learning methods, and a valuable tool in speech therapy for individuals with auditory or phonological problems. So I think (vocalization) covers all that, even the non-word stuff. Thanks,--David Able (talk) 00:06, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It is, however, also used in print (comic books & comic strips) to convey the motion and/or sound; as vocalization, this possibility is implied to not exist, unless that's being covered separately. 75.204.179.20 (talk) 07:51, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Or at least to Vroom (onomatopoeia) with lowercase 'o'. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:20, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not just move this article to vroom, and move the DAB page to Vroom (disambiguation)? Andrewa (talk) 10:49, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: The use in comic books is an avenue I did not even think to explore when writing...great idea!  I would support the above suggestion of moving simply to Vroom and moving the DAB page. David Able (talk) 15:38, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Just looking at the other entries in the DAB (currently at vroom), I'm satisfied that this is the primary meaning. Any other opinions? Evidence required? Andrewa (talk) 19:51, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Alternative proposal
Move this article to vroom and the DAB page currently there to Vroom (disambiguation).

A notice of this proposal has been posted at Talk:Vroom#Requested move.


 * Support as nominator. Andrewa (talk) 21:23, 26 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Support (Should it be Vroom w/a capital V? Anyway, whatever the convention is, I support the move.)David Able (talk) 16:25, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it will appear with a capital "V" on the page.--Kotniski (talk) 19:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. It must be at least close to being a primary topic, and avoids the question of what disambiguator to use.--Kotniski (talk) 19:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Use in pop culture, comic books, illustrations, etc
Opening this section just for general discussion in case any one has any ideas about the name of the section covering these topics, or some insights on good sources.
 * I thought of "Use in pop-culture" at first, but I think that might not cover it. Maybe "Illustrative history"? Is there a word (more specific, or technical, than onomatopoeia) that describes action-words used illustrations?  Any artists out there? --David Able (talk) 15:48, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * PS- I bet there is a clue to its origins in this somewhere. Very little specific info exists on its origins, other that it first appeared in the US in 1960's. (But they had to get that info from somewhere, right?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Able (talk • contribs) 15:50, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Moving foreign language examples
I do not support moving the examples of use in foreign language into a separate article, at least for now, because I think it provides an example of one of the word's notable elements, that it is a cross-linguistic onomatopoeia. If the section was moved, I would like to see at least a few of the closer examples retained in the article. Also to note that the section exists within, and was borrowed from, Cross-linguistic onomatopoeias. David Able (talk) 16:58, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Help
Could someone please move this page to Vroom as the primary meaning, and remove the redirect from the dab page? I tried doing this myself but screwed it all up, and thankfully an editor passing by reverted back to the way it was. There appears to be consensus for this move on the talk page, but you are, of course, welcome to conrtibute further to the discussion if you disagree with the move. Thanks David Able (talk) 18:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * There is a backlog at present on WP:RM - don't worry, while the move template is showing, then it's on the list.  Ron h jones (Talk) 18:10, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Removing Tag Proposing Split of "Other languages" section
I am going to remove the tag proposing to split the "Other languages" section into a new article. The tag has been on the page quite a while, as well as a thread further up the discussion page that I started regarding this, and has not had any further comments. It seems to me that one notable aspect of Vroom is that its use, meaning, vocalization, and role in early speech development is consistent across multiple languages; and being that Cross-linguistic onomatopoeia is a bit of a technical technical term, it would be useful to readers to see examples of this in the article.

If the normal convention is to leave the tag in place indefinitely, my apologies, and please feel free to revert...but kindly leave a message on this discussion board pointing toward the reason or WP policy that covers this. Thanks, DAVIDABLE  17:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)