Talk:W. Claude Jones

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Why W. Claude Jones? Why not Use this figures full name. the current sources being used would suggest the use of the initial and the full middle and last name is not adequate information for a search and hampers this article appearing properly in a Google search. Also, JSTR turns up nothing under that and that seems another good reason to move the article to William Claude Jones.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:39, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONNAME is the reason why that article is titled "W. Claude Jones". There are a variety of newspaper reports and published correspondences either by or about Jones (e.g.  and ).  Additionally, as he was a member of multiple legislative bodies, his name is included in a variety of official lists.  A quick perusal of documents produced by individuals who were personally acquainted to him makes it fairly clear that Jones went primarily by his middle name and signed his letters using either "W. Claude Jones" or "Wm. Claude Jones".  Of the two options "W. Claude Jones" is by far the more commonly used variation. --Allen3 talk 19:17, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Uhm...Allen, those articles form 100 years ago cannot be used to show common name today. The sources you should be showing to support such use would be those you currently use in the article. That supports use of the full name. If you are not inclined to support a move at this point I think we should start a move discussion. My reasoning-You are using primary source information from the signature of the figure who died long ago and who's notability may not be most commonly known by his own self identification. That is true of many historic figures, while some retain the abbreviations, acronyms or initials. I don't think that the case here and it doesn't actually help either a Google search result for the man or an internet or Library search of the figure to use the less common reference today.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:23, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sigh!!! If it is "modern" counting games you wish to play then lets play.  In addition to the title, the Finch article that you appear to be basing your argument upon uses the name "William Claude" once in the text (in the very first sentence of the article) and once as a caption to a portrait.  In comparison the name "W. Claude" is used 42 time in the text of the article.   The Finch article also indicates that "W. Claude" is the name that people used to refer to him.  A similar pattern is found in this 1998 newspaper article (reprint courtesy of the Sharlot Hall Museum), with Jones full name being used once and all subsequent mentions being to "W. Claude", "W. Jones", of "Speaker Jones".
 * Other sources I have immediate access to are:
 * Wagoner uses the name "W. Claude Jones" for all four mentions. Sonnichsen likewise uses "W. Claude" the one time he discusses Jones.  The references published during the last 50 years to which I have available follow the same pattern as the older texts which you are looking to ignore.  Do you have any modern sources that follow a different pattern or is this just a case of argumentum ad ignorantiam combined with FUTON bias? --Allen3 talk 01:40, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's not get snippy. I am not looking to ignore anything. This is a discussion. I have concerns. I am not ignoring anything. I could counter with sources that show the name otherwise, but what I would like is some demonstration that it is indeed the most common name. Can you demonstrate that and save us time of me starting a move discussion or would you like us to just start such for a larger consensus and present our arguments then?--Mark Miller (talk) 15:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow...in looking further at your last post I can't help but say, for an admin you really suck at this collaboration thing.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:42, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's not get snippy. I am not looking to ignore anything. This is a discussion. I have concerns. I am not ignoring anything. I could counter with sources that show the name otherwise, but what I would like is some demonstration that it is indeed the most common name. Can you demonstrate that and save us time of me starting a move discussion or would you like us to just start such for a larger consensus and present our arguments then?--Mark Miller (talk) 15:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow...in looking further at your last post I can't help but say, for an admin you really suck at this collaboration thing.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:42, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

I took your information and I did my own further looking and I feel that there is more that refer to the subject as W. Claude Jones, but only just a slight amount. Google search numbers are not accurate as they are showing mostly current individuals with that name. If there were other editors that felt a move discussion was needed I would start one. But this has remained between two editors. It is also clear that you have made accusations based on my questioning certain parts of the article. If your reaction to me is a sample of how you work on Wikipedia, it is best if we did not correspond further.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:39, 7 February 2014 (UTC)