Talk:WALL-E/Archive 1

Official Wikipedia naming?
Is there any consensus on what the proper WP page name should be? Over the months it has been W.A.L.-E., WALL-E, WAL-E, WALL -E, and now WALL• E.  SpikeJones 13:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Both Bob Iger's letter and the title image depict it as "WALL• E". Until we hear otherwise, I support this as the official name. RMS Oceanic 15:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Is it with or without the extra space near the dot?SpikeJones 16:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's hard to determine using the picture alone, but Iger's letter uses the space, so again, I say we use it until otherwise corrected. RMS Oceanic 17:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if we go by that Reuters article (and who knows that that writer is using as the source material), then the name of the movie would be "Wall-E". JHM is using "Wall E".  Disney is using "WALL• E" (if you cut-and-paste from their article), and the graphic that may or may not be real is showing as "WALL•E".  As an encyclopedia, can we at least get confirmation on what the name of the film is supposed to be before we start writing too much of the article? SpikeJones 19:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * So.... we've made an official decision on what the WALL-E page is going to be called, then? SpikeJones 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No idea. jj 02:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, User:Tregoweth just renamed/moved the article, so is that confirmation on anything?SpikeJones 04:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just trying to make it easier to type, assuming that Disney was using the bullet for visual appearance, not for actual spelling. It can always be moved back When more information is released. &mdash;tregoweth (talk) 05:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Lets use Disney's "WALL• E"! Just look at the logo and that's how you spell it! User:Pixar is 03:12, 17 April 2007
 * Since most people will be searching with a standard keyboard, would you please show me where the "bullet" key is for the "•"? Most people will search with a dash there, as that's how most places refer to it for now, including the IMDB. It's a naming convention, one that's more intuitive to people than the bullet. We may look at that again closer to the actual film release, but for now, the consensus seems to be to leave it as is. TheRealFennShysa 14:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * On a Mac, its the shift+alt+Q buttons. --David Munch 13:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A redirect would work fine, people would write Wall-E and be sent to Wall•E automatically. --Stormwatch (talk) 06:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Uh, I'm confused... I'm on a MacBook, and I'm pressing shift, alt, and Q, and this is what I get: Œ. Is there something wrong with my computer? I'm serious. Could someone help me out? One Fried Egg 16:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * alt+8 gives me the • bullet. I suppose it may be different in some foreign keyboard layouts. --Stormwatch (talk) 06:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I just moved the article to this title: WALL·E. This is the correct title, which is being used by imdb (copypasted from there), and by the official webpage aswell. --Kjidel (talk) 12:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Slight problem, which key did you use? You copypasted it? Well that may mean another move using the actual Wiki-keyboard. Alientraveller (talk) 13:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Should we assume that somebody has made this decision for us, almost a year after we began the discussion about it? SpikeJones (talk) 16:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with this "official" usage of the · in the name... Although it may appear that way on the official website, if you look around, it's just used as a stylized hyphen. Note that the release date is shown as "6·27·08" and the movie is being made by "Disney·Pixar". Also, if you look in your browser, when you go to the official website, the title is "WALL-E: Official Site". There's also the issues when using a bullet as the difference between "·" and "•" - that's another redirect we need to implement? And as far as official, Disney's own internal documents are using a hyphen ( - See Page 22). The Buy-N-Large mock website (made by Disney/Pixar) is also showing the names of their "other robots" using hyphens (within the text of the articles, although using a bullet as a stylized hyphen at the top of the page when used as a logo). As long as Wikipedia has issues with double-redirects and there is in fact no "·" key on the keyboard, I think the article should be "WALL-E". Redirects are there to help people who may have mistyped the name of an article, they shouldn't be required, and I think there's enough evidence to be shown that the bullet is used as a stylized hyphen. —Fumo7887 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Does the article need to mention that it's a stylized hyphen at all, especially in the first sentence of the lead paragraph? This would be akin to saying that "Se7en (written with leet-speak using a "7" instead of a "v") is a movie thriller starring...".  Perhaps a bad example, but the only one that quickly came to mind.  Seems like overkill. SpikeJones (talk) 15:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Succession
I've added Toy Story 3 as the Pixar successor to this film, in the succession box. M. Collins 14:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well take it out because up is the successor.

Plot?
I have added the link to JHM that talks about the plot to WALL-E. Should I keep it there? I see that previous additions have been deleted because JHM is a blog, but couldn't this be incorperated into the article? --Bobthemonkey3 16:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * WP's official policy is listed at WP:SPS. Blogs are not considered reliable sources for information from Wikipedia's viewpoint (JHM has been wrong in the past, even a little bit about WALL-E).  We *like* JHM, but because of the way JH writes... "the information has been self-published, which means it has not been subject to any independent form of fact-checking." SpikeJones 17:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree it shouldn't be used as a source, but couldn't it be added in there as a "JHM has an artice about the reported plot of this movie, not as plot" entry? It is information about the movie.--Bobthemonkey3 18:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, because there are all sorts of blogs that have articles about the movie (valid or not) that would want to be linked as well. Just keep monitoring other 3rd parties (not blogs) for verifiable information that would collaborate what JHM has said, and when you see an indepenent, reputable source that can back up what JHM posted using their own cited research, then the plotline can be added.  SpikeJones 18:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the blog seems pretty accurate - if we want a plot here, we HAVE to use the blog as source. Or we should delete the whole Plot section. --Have a nice day. Running 00:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

OR you could just put it under rumored plot.
 * Same issue. no fact checking. jj 21:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Logo
Which one should we use and why?jj 00:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we should use the logo with the dark background instead of the one with the white background. First of all, I don't know enough about either of the logos' fair use problems, so you can disregard my opinion if fair use problems actually do factor in significantly. Fair use problems aside, however, the official logo with the dark background would be the more appropriate image to use. I personally think that it looks better on the dark background, but the phrase "looks better" is subjective. In my humble opinion, it's better to use what is, rather than what we hope should be - the latter would differ from person to person anyway. S@lo 02:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The black on white logo looks better on the page, I believe. According to the image tag, it was created specifically for the site, and at higher resolution, based on the original. Also, based on Wikipedia image use standards, the black on white logo should be the preferred one to use, as it has not been lifted from another site. WP:FU states that Copyrighted images that reasonably can be replaced by free/libre images are not suitable for Wikipedia. The white on black logo is a copyright infringement, the other is not. It's really quite simple, as far as I'm concerned. MikeWazowski 07:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Come on lets use the real "WALL• E" logo! User:Pixar is 03:12, 17 April 2007

Greg Kinnear?
Where exactly does it say that Greg Kinnear will be playing WALL-E? I've already tried to use Google (and Google News) to verify this, but I still didn't find any articles/websites confirming this. I didn't see it in any of the references or external links either. Did I overlook something? S@lo 03:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I have not heard anything about Greg Kinnear being in the film, but I have heard the Fred Willard will right here: http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2007/02/27/toon-tuesday-again.aspx don't know if it's true though. Pixar is 04:53, 19 March 2007


 * As we've said elsewhere, we cannot use JHM as an original reference source for WP articles. You must find an outside reference that (a) is not a self-published blog that doesn't cite sources; (b) does not use other self-published blogs as their source information.  This is why we try to stick with official Disney/Pixar released information or media with editorial review and fact-checking to support info included in WP. (We *like* JHM; we just can't use it as a source) SpikeJones 00:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Soundtrack of the teaser trailer

 * Ok, this gets reverted all the time for some reason, but I'd like to confirm that the soundtrack of the teaser trailer is in no way the original song Brazil, by Ary Barroso, but a famous adaptation of it made by Michael Kamen which was used as sountrack for the Terry Gilliam film Brazil (1985). The typical "typing-machine" adaptation is quite characteristic and unmistakably different from the original song. I think that this is an important point, since, knowing Pixar, the choice of the soundtrack of such a cult film has been made with a purpose. 193.56.37.1 13:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Cult film? It's not even out yet! --Wack'd Talk to me! • Admire my handiwork! 20:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I was meaning Brazil, when I was talking of a cult film. Now, if you call putting the Criterion special edition of Brazil in a DVD player to compare with the soundtrack of the trailer, original research, I think we reach a summit in bad faith. Hektor 11:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I wanted also to add that there is a pattern there, we have two Pixar trailers using the soundtracks of other movies :
 * the trailer of The Incredibles used the soundtrack of On Her Majesty's Secret Service
 * the trailer of WALL-E uses the soundtrack of Brazil Hektor 12:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The exact arrangement in that trailer is from Michael Kamen's score for BRAZIL, specifically when we first see the offices where Sam Lowry works. It's an instrumental arrangement that uses typewriters as part of the orchestration, and that's hardly the normal version of the song.

Similarity to Vectorman
There was a game called Vectorman for the Sega Genesis that had a similar plot (Earth evacuated so that robots can clean it up). I think it's worth including somewhere in the article, but I'm not sure where it's most appropriate (trivia, plot, etc.). Any suggestions? Omatic 10:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * First, I don't recommend adding anything that's that specific to the plot until the movie comes out. To do otherwise would be crystal-ballism. Second, you need to find a verifable 3rd party reference to support your opinion - otherwise adding that info would be considered original research. SpikeJones 12:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I see someone at Pixar was a big Genesis fan! :D Vectorman was well known and loved in the platform.  The Wikipedia article to which it's linked is well worth it. 201.53.134.30 (talk) 09:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Again this is not a forum for general discussion, per WP:TALK. Alientraveller (talk) 10:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

merger
Of course

god yes..

yes...add it to the main page for WALL-E its obviously connected to the movie

Ben Burtt
Unless Ben Burtt is actually speaking as WALL-E, he shouldn't be listed as "voice." &mdash;tregoweth (talk) 00:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Wall-E's similarity to Johnny-5
From the eyes/head appendage to the triangular tracks he uses for movement, I seem to think that Wall-E bears a stricking resemblence to Johnny-5 from Short Circuit. Was this an intended homage from Pixar, or blatant plagarism?
 * There's an article on slashfilm (here) on a WALL-E comic-con panel which states that WALL-E was partially inspired by Luxo the Pixar lamp, and by a pair of binoculars. I imagine sure some aspects Johnny-5 managed to slip into WALL-E, since they're both robots, but the explanation given seems to suggest no plagarism or deliberate homage.
 * 64.180.216.194 02:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That is ridiculous. Half the world saw Wall-E, when he debuted, as a small rip off of Johnny 5. There should be something added to that affect in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.64.40.64 (talk) 17:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's just your opinion kid. Alientraveller 17:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's exactly why I came to this page: to get insight on the similarity between "Johnny Number 5" and "Wall-E." So that makes two of us that think these robots look remarkably the same. But denial and ego go hand-in-hand here, don't they?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.168.117 (talk) 04:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * WALL-E reminds me of E.T. 70.49.207.145 (talk) 06:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and it's all just your opinion. Johnny-Five is a rip-off of E.T., and E.T. is modelled on Albert Einstein. Such is the world of influence and inspiration. But please remember this isn't a forum, per WP:TALK. Alientraveller (talk) 12:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What I find funny is that you're quick to point out Wikipedia isn't a forum yet you managed to provide, "Thats just your opinion kid". Rofl Seriously, grow up. But yes it does bear a striking similarity to Johnny 5. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Havoc1310 (talk • contribs)
 * Well it is, and Stanton has acknowledged the coincidence, and it's in the article. But at least reading it people can be educated WALL-E is binoculars on a tractor. Alientraveller (talk) 09:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Pre-screening
I went to a pre-screeing in Portland, OR of the movie. I would hope to add the info I know to a section about "Plot" Here is a partial overview (I will add more tommorow): Wall-e and eve go aboard a spaceship when eve detects plant life. Everybody aboard the cruise which is having a "700th" anniversary and is extremely obese —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trent12345409 (talk • contribs) 05:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Because much can change between a pre-screening and the actual film, I suggest not including the plot until the film is released. This is similar to how other 'future' films have been handled. SpikeJones 01:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Second teaser trailer?
I recently discovered a Wall-E teaser trailer that differs significantly from the original (that is, the one I saw before the theatrical release of "Ratatouille"). In this one, Wall-E interacts with Luxo during the Pixar opening animation, and replaces a burnt-out light bulb for him. It wasn't mentioned in the article (at least not in the "Marketing" section), and so far I've only found it on Yahoo Movies. It's available in HD up to 1080p. Here's the link: PaparazziPulse 19:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixing redirect
Can someone fix the redirect Wall E? Currently it goes to another WALL·E direct, WALL-E, which makes the process redundant. I can't figure out how to do it myself. - Throw (talk) 16:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Likeness
There is an empty heading labeled "Likeness". I anyone writing anything there, or should it be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.109.247 (talk) 23:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe he looks like Johnie V - he also reminds me of a little 3D Robot that was used in a Microsoft Softimage Intro from when they first touted the software if anyones' interested —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.43.77 (talk) 11:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Wall-E's likeness is already included in the article. Nothing to see here, move along. SpikeJones (talk) 17:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Release date
Most things I've seen say the release date is June 27 or 28. I'm pretty sure the movie isn't premiering tomorrow. 71.11.215.216 (talk) 03:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Create the cast section ?
I say we should add the list of cast, I mean we need to get more orgenized.Anonymous person 50 (talk) 14:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Wall-E to Wall•E
I thought Wall•E' name was always spelled with a "•", and not just promoted that way. It's just easier to spell it with a hyphen (-). Should it be changed to Wall•E in the article? -- Chris Brack :P 01:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, something to think about. BTW, you should sign your posts with four tildes (~) .  RC-0722 361.0/ 1  20:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, we've already covered this in the opening paragraph. It's a hyphen, regardless of what the hyphen looks like.  No need to make typing the character's name more complicated than it need to be. SpikeJones (talk) 03:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My god, didn't we talk about this when the movie was first announced and decided going with the fancy bullet was not necessary? Can someone please move it back to Wall-E, please? SpikeJones (talk) 03:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, there's your ~ -- Chris Brack :P 01:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty of undoing an edit today that changed every WALL-E in the article to WALL•E. I would argue that not only is the '•' for all intents and purposes just a stylized hyphen, but in addition, having '•' littered throughout the article is extremely distracting, at least in the typeface I'm looking at. It's like having random boldface scattered everywhere... --Fru1tbat (talk) 15:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I am the one that fixed all of the hyphens. I personally like to see things accurate, and as far as I'm concerned, WALL•E has always been properly known as WALL•E.  When you undid my edit, you also undid all the corrections I made to AUTO's name.  He is not OTT-O.  Go look at the character list on the WALL•E website.  Anyways, I'm going to edit it again to fix AUTO, but I'll leave WALL•E's name alone for the present. GlobeReacher (talk) 16:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right. Sorry about that -- I should have been more careful about the other fixes you made. --Fru1tbat (talk) 17:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If y'all are already decided, I won't reopen the argument, but I note that imdb, bcdb, metacritic, and comingsoon.net all spell it with the ·, and I've adjusted the titles in those external links appropriately. —Steve Summit (talk) 17:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Please see the manual of style on trademarks, which says to avoid using special characters.--NapoliRoma (talk) 16:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to accurately portray the name of the movie and the character, it is a "•". If you simply want it so that more people can find it, have a redirect at "WALL-E". to quote the manual, "In the article about a trademark, it is acceptable to use decorative characters the first time the trademark appears, but thereafter, an alternative that follows the standard rules of punctuation should be used." So the name of the article should have a "•". The movie is not "promoted with an interpunct" - the interpunct is part of the name of the film and the character, similar to "I ♥ Huckabees". The entries for both films have been corrupted for the sake of keyboards, not for correctness. Pejorative.majeure (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Another useful fact from SPARTAN-984.....
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-984 is my homebase.

I can suggest that just one simple look at www.buynlarge.com that the company Buy 'n' Large rules the planet.

Just to state it for those not smart enough to understand "rampant unchecked consumerism" as a company ruling the planet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.13.72.124 (talk) 19:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I love the BnL website! Great satire and social commentary, just like in the movie! Demosthenes, blog 20:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

This story sounds veeery familiar...
Just a little interesting thing I noticed. The story to this movie seems a lot like that of an old Sega Genesis game called Vectorman, in the sense that the humans have left earth and left robots there to clean up while they're gone, and eventually one robot is left capable of doing his job. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparx-1 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting comparison, but if it's worthy of being in the article it'll require the appropriate citation. Alientraveller (talk) 16:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Its setup is also very similar to many elements of the Roger Zelazny story "For a Breath I Tarry", although as with the above, I don't know if this is appropriate for addition to the article.--NapoliRoma (talk) 15:53, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Self Destruct?
"There they discover AUTO's assistant about to destroy the plant by launching it into space in a pod programmed to self destruct" I thought the self destruct was activated because wall-e pressed all of the buttons on the console. The assistant just wanted to send the plant back to earth. Can anyone back me up on this? --Maxhawkins (talk) 16:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought. The earth is pictured as the destination the bot programs in, which would be pointless if he just said to self-destruct. Then WALL-E hit's the button and it says self-destruct in 20 seconds, and he hits it again and it says 10 seconds. 71.212.32.190 (talk) 20:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, Gopher (the assistant) rigged it to self-destruct, and not allow WALL•E to stop it. Earth was the destination set by EVE before Gopher got a hold of it.  Reference: http://youtube.com/watch?v=iJ3SRMGhjc4 GlobeReacher (talk) 21:00, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Confirm; I saw the movie last night. WALL-E sees the self-destruct readout on the panel before he starts pressing buttons--in fact, that's what causes him to do so, pressing buttons in a frantic attempt to deactivate the self-destruct. -- Pennyforth (talk) 12:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with the explanation given by GlobeReacher and watched the youtube video to get the exact sequence of events. EVE programs in the coordinates for Earth, Gopher pushes a button on the console that causes the self destruct button to start flashing, after the pod is launched WALL-E gets up and heads to the console, he starts pressing buttons around the joystick (none of which are the self destruct button), he than notices the countdown, and that is when he frantically starts pushing buttons. Note that if you watch the youtube video in fullscreen you can see the self destruct countdown going down (it also changes color from blue to yellow) before WALL-E gets to the console so it was definitely Gopher that activated it. --GrandDrake (talk) 19:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Apple IIe startup chime?
That is totally wrong. The sound Wall-E makes when he is fully charged is obviously a Mac start-up chime, not an Apple IIe chime. Proof is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvixWtrraZE That is a start-up beep from a IIe. The referenced link is wrong. Lilmul123 (talk) 21:02, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Find a better source or delete it then. Alientraveller (talk) 21:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The startup chime is the one first created for the Macintosh Quadra by Jim Reekes. Here's an article about the origin of it: [] As for its use in the movie, here's one reference: [] I'll try to update the page. Mahousu (talk) 00:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)