Talk:WENS (TV)/GA1

GA Review
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Nominator: 04:46, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Kusma (talk · contribs) 15:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding to my queue. Review should not take more than a few days. —Kusma (talk) 15:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Content and prose review
I will comment on anything I notice, but not all of my comments will be strictly related to the GA criteria, so not everything needs to be actioned. Feel free to push back if you think I am asking too much, and please tell me when I am wrong.

More later! —Kusma (talk) 21:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC) The article looks well researched (but will need to check sources later) and fairly detailed. It may be related to my lack of knowledge of American TV, but I have some difficulty understanding the big picture here (possibly this is connected to the UHF/VHF issue?) Making me see the big picture is not strictly in the GA criteria, though :) —Kusma (talk) 10:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Lead seems very short.
 * It's an unimproved lead.
 * It is a lot better now and helps to explain some of the context for UHF difficulties (better than the body, and some of the text does not seem to be covered by the body so lacks citations?)
 * Early years: could link to Pittsburgh again.
 * WDTV is linked twice in quick succession.
 * The WCAE / Ivory tower story is a bit confusing, especially with Irwin.
 * Basically, when the FCC finally threw channel 4 toward Pittsburgh, it specified a location where the site couldn't be used.
 * Did WENS finish building the mast?
 * Yes.
 * "It was second behind WKJF-TV channel 53 in what was considered a race to sign on." I don't understand what is happening here. What is WKJF-TV?
 * Another television station—one I have since improved to GA-grade.
 * I am a bit confused about the relationship between WENS and WDTV. How much were they competitors and how much did they just share the CBS content? (I ask because WENS seems to have been a WDTV initiative).
 * Management from WDTV left to start WENS, but they were not and COULD not be co-owned.
 * Is it worth saying something about where Ivory Avenue and Mt Troy Avenue are in relation to Pittsburgh? (Ugh, I just realised that I haven't been to Pittsburgh for over 15 years). Also, where are Irwin and Scranton? (I think I am looking for something like whether these are nearby towns).
 * I've... never been, unfortunately.
 * " having added some NBC shows as a result of WKJF-TV's closure" this is the first time we hear of that closure. Perhaps simplfy? "After the rival WKJF closed in 19XX, WENS added some NBC shows to its programming"?
 * "have to surrender the games to the VHF outlet" sorry, who is the VHF outlet?
 * Reworded
 * Handled all to this point. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 04:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Will check replies later after finishing read-through. —Kusma (talk) 10:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Generally happy with responses. —Kusma (talk) 11:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Tower collapse: Great quote. Tried to find out more about the storm and failed (did not try very hard). It is listed at List of catastrophic collapses of broadcast masts and towers, with a link to WENS-TV; is that a good title for a redirect and/or should that link be fixed?
 * Wrong suffixes are really common in the media, but in this case a link fix suffices.
 * "After the launch of WENS... make it possible" Run-on sentence, could use a break or two.
 * Generally, I think I am missing some context about UHF versus VHF television and how much it was a problem for stations to broadcast on one or the other. Is there some overview/context article that could be mentioned/linked?
 * Added a See also.
 * Decline and demise: "fundamental problems facing the station" could you be more explicit about these?
 * Done
 * "radio station WWSW was awarded a channel 11 construction permit" why do we care about what some radio station does? or is that a television permit so they were set to be competitors? And was Channel 11 VHF?
 * Yes.
 * So they ceased operations end of August but continued to try to broadcast on VHF until December?
 * Correct, and not unusual. Some stations said they'd go back on if they ever got a V. Very few ever did.
 * Later use of channel 16 in Pittsburgh: why is there a here when WINP-TV is not even mentioned?
 * Call sign change of the former WQEX. This one has to stay as is.
 * The section generally seems oddly titled: the first half is about Channels 47, 22 and 13, and the final sentence is about the WENS studios. The middle paragraph is about the broadcast facilities and makes no mention of the frequency channels.
 * Actually, there is one sentence about the later use of channel 16 in Pittsburgh in the following section, "the FCC reserved channel 16 for noncommercial use".
 * The first paragraph is necessary context for why the facility got reused. At some point, I will end up doing WINP, which has quite the history in its own right!
 * "Telecasting, Inc., the final owner of WENS" maybe I haven't been paying attention enough, but weren't they the owner throughout the history of WENS?
 * Turns out they renamed months into their history. Added.
 * WENS after suspending operations: "today's WDTV" / "today's Sinclair Broadcast Group" maybe best to reformulate this in a way that can't go out of date when something happens to WDTV?
 * Kind of hard to reword, unfortunately.

In addition to all the changes mentioned above, I am putting this down because I think you have finally found the issue. This station's history is very much about being a UHF. UHF television broadcasting needs sources but it provides something of the needed overview. Here's my Cliffs Notes version: Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 17:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you, now it makes sense. —Kusma (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Source spotchecks
Numbering from Special:Permanentlink/1230604541. There's a citation missing for something before 10, but it generally looks fine, solid work as usual. —Kusma (talk) 20:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 8: looks ok
 * 10: we have the Pirates game from Forbes Field, but nothing on the race with WKJF-TV channel 53
 * 14: looks ok
 * 29a: looks ok
 * 31: looks ok
 * 34: looks ok
 * 41: ok. page numbers would be a nice bonus
 * 43: ok


 * Reworded the 10 item to be more faithful and added page numbers on 41, @Kusma. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 02:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

General comments and GA criteria
No major issues left, just the missing citation in the spot checks and perhaps a prose point or two. Nice work! —Kusma (talk) 20:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Prose is mostly fine now.
 * No MoS issues, lead section works now.
 * References consistently formatted.
 * Sources are newspapers and specialist magazines, reliable for the context
 * One issue found during spot checks
 * No copyvio concerns.
 * Scope is ok
 * No stability issues
 * Infobox image is fine.
 * Sad there are no other images. Are any of the images in some of the old newspapers out of copyright and usable?
 * Sourcing issues fixed, prose issues are minor or personal opinion, passing. —Kusma (talk) 08:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)