Talk:WJEC (exam board)

Removing list of GCSEs
I decided it'd be best to take them out. It's not a big issue about the exam board itself, it's not going to stay up to date, and if people wanted to know there's the official source: the WJEC site. I checked WP:NOT, and I figure it's sorta included under the 'indiscriminate list' section. If you disagree, please give me a shout (as well as doing whatever). I also took out a paragraph comparing the french course with that of AQA, I think - which seemed rather random and fairly redundant. It went on to explain what the exams for that course are. fel64 19:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

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Requested move 1

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The result of the proposal was a dabpage has been (re)created at WJEC. JPG-GR (talk) 07:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

The WJEC now refer to themselves exclusively as 'WJEC', with the full 'Welsh Joint Education Committee' title having fallen into disuse. The article should therefore be at WJEC. The only other WJEC with a claim to the page is WJEC 106.5 FM. It currently resides at WJEC 106.5 FM, which is its full title. A Google search shows that the exam board is much better known than the radio station and several hundred thousand students sit its exams every year (surely more than listen to a small local radio station), giving the exam board a full claim to the title, with, of course, a disambiguation notice linking to the radio station. At the moment, I cannot perform the move as WJEC exists as a redirect. - Green Tentacle (talk) 13:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * "It currently resides" because you moved it there, despite breaking the naming conventions for radio stations (I have restored). Likely best case scenario? A dabpage at WJEC. JPG-GR (talk) 16:53, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I moved it there to prepare for the move of the exam board (I didn't realise that I wouldn't be able to complete the move). As you know, there used to be a disambiguation page at WJEC (which you created), but someone removed it.


 * The history, for readers new to this:
 * June 2004: Page for the exam board created at WJEC by an anonymous user
 * July 2007: Exam board page moved to Welsh Joint Education Committee and a disambiguation page pointing to the exam board and a the radio station (which did not have a page at the time) created by JPG-GR
 * November 2007: Page for the radio station created at WJEC (FM) by RadioFan2
 * September 2008: Radio station moved to WJEC and link to the exam board relegated to a hat note by Angusmclellan
 * September 2008: Strangely, a completely different user, Dravecky, justifies the deletion of the disambiguation page at Talk:WJEC, using a flawed argument that the radio station has the main claim to the initials.


 * A tiny radio station blocking a huge exam board from being at its rightful title is clearly ludicrous. Far more people will have qualifications from the WJEC than have ever listened to the radio station. While I agree that a disambiguation page at WJEC would be a better option than this, it is still plainly obvious that the exam board should be at WJEC with a hat note to the radio station. I am not sure about the format to disambiguate US radio stations, but would be happy if you would advise.


 * Thanks - Green Tentacle (talk) 20:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose. If anything is done, it would be to create a dab page.  Vegaswikian (talk) 19:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I would be quite happy with that too, but, as you can see from above, a number of people are adamant that the radio station is more important (creating a disambiguation page before the radio station page even existed → moving the exam board page → removing the disambiguation page → leaving WJEC with no link to the exam board), showing the US-centric nature of Wikipedia (all these changes have been made by different users). This page name debate links back to one of Wikipedia's biggest problems: the exam board, globally, obviously has the right to the WJEC page, but because the less important radio station is US-based, it is seen as the most important by some influential people. A disambiguation page is a good compromise, but — really — there should be no need for compromise as this is an open-and-shut case. One disambiguation page has been removed already. If another was created, how long would it last for? - Green Tentacle (talk) 14:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Let's not argue a perceived US centric bias. I'm fed up with the anti US bias on many decisions.  Let's keep this on the issues. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:08, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Anti-US bias? The whole point is the pro-US bias! I was keeping this on the issue: the issue is the US bias sidelining what is obviously the most important meaning of the title. - Green Tentacle (talk) 12:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


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Conflict of interest notification
I'm the web editor for WJEC, and am interested in expanding the content of this stub.

I have a sanitised version of our About us page ready to contribute (sanitised meaning no marketing, nothing beyond the facts about what we actually do, where we do it, and what we're officially responsible for). I was wondering if anyone here'd have a problem with me putting that version up? I completely understand if you do. If there's no objections I'll do the edit in a day or two. Might be an idea if I post the content I'm proposing here for you to see. Here goes!

As a further note, is it at all possible to change the title of the article to WJEC - from "Welsh Joint Education Committee"? This is no longer in use by the organisation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clawsofdoom (talk • contribs) 15:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

WJEC
WJEC (Welsh: CBAC) provides examinations, assessment, professional development, educational resources, support for adults who wish to learn Welsh and access to youth arts activities. It also provides examinations throughout England and Northern Ireland.

WJEC was previously called the Welsh Joint Education Committee. It was established in 1948 as a consortium of local education authorities in Wales. It is now a registered charity, and a company limited by guarantee, owned by the 22 local authorities in Wales. A subsidiary company, WJEC CBAC Services Limited, provides specialist printing and publication services.

Qualifications

WJEC’s qualifications include traditional academic and work-related subjects at Entry Level, GCSE and AS/A Level, as well as Functional and Key Skills.

In 2007, after a three-year pilot, the Welsh Baccalaureate was introduced as part of their portfolio. This new qualification is available to schools in Wales at Intermediate or Advanced levels, is being piloted at Foundation level. The Welsh Baccalaureate offers a programme of study incorporating working with employers, community activities, individual investigations and key skills, as well as students’ GCSEs, GNVQs or A level studies.

They also provide a suite of examinations specifically designed for adults who wish to learn Welsh.

Professional development

WJEC runs a programme of professional development with their subject specialists and Chief or Principal Examiners. Day-long in-service training is provided at hotels and conference centres throughout England and Wales. WJEC also provides Professional Development courses for teachers of Welsh at primary and secondary level, and for those teaching subjects through the medium of Welsh. This service is available under the National Welsh INSET Programmes

National Grid for Learning

WJEC manages the National Grid for Learning Cymru, which provides free online teaching resources in English and Welsh through its interactive website.

National Youth Arts Wales

As part of an agreement between WJEC and local authorities in Wales, WJEC manages the National Youth Orchestra of Wales and National Youth Theatre of Wales. These are part of National Youth Arts Wales, supported by WJEC in partnership with the Welsh Amateur Music Federation.

I'll obviously work on the formatting, linking, referencing etc. if there's no problems with the content.

Clawsofdoom (talk) 12:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I've now updated the page, but unsure as to how to submit the content from WJEC under the GFDL - beyond asserting that I have the right to do so... Is there some means of verifying my identity for this purpose? Clawsofdoom (talk) 09:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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Page moved to WJEC (exam board) to correctly dab the page. A discussion was not really required to do this move just a new user learning. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

In addition to the changes I've made, I'm requesting a move from Welsh Joint Education Committee to WJEC as this is the name of the organisation - and not the current title. Quite uncontroversial, I hope. Even though the old name is recognised (and may be worth keeping a redirect to the new), it is no longer factually the name of the organisation. Clawsofdoom (talk) 12:01, 29 April 2009 (UTC) Ah - I see what you mean - go slowly with me, I'm still a bit new with all of this... Does WJEC (Exam Board) sound ok? Erm... going to read up what a dabbed form is ;) Edit: Had a read, (and been reminded of the above move discussion) - and agree on the whole primary use thing. What is the next step - to edit my move request? Your help is much appreciated. Clawsofdoom (talk) 11:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There is still no primary use.  I would support a move to a dabbed form that you think is appropriate and that does not need a discussion here.  Maybe WJEC (Welsh education).  Vegaswikian (talk) 05:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


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Page name (requested move 3)
Surely this page should be back at Welsh Joint Education Committee? The Manual of Style for abbreviations makes it clear that if two articles have a claim to an acronym (as is the case here - the exam board and the radio station), then the articles should be at their spelled out names. (The fact that the exam board is called 'WJEC' now is irrelevant - it still stands for 'Welsh Joint Education Committee'.) This would also put WJEC in line with the other acronym-based exam boards:


 * AQA is at Assessment and Qualifications Alliance
 * OCR is at Oxford, Cambridge and RSA Examinations
 * SQA is at Scottish Qualifications Authority
 * CCEA is at Council for the Curriculum, Examinations & Assessment (with an automatic redirect from CCEA)

I'm not saying I have strong feelings either way, just that there appear to be guidelines for this already. (Personally, as can be seen above, I think that the exam board has a strong case for the WJEC page, but as this does not appear to be possible, the fall-back is the spelled-out name.) - Green Tentacle (talk) 13:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The spelled out name of WJEC is "WJEC" - and not Welsh Joint Education Committee any more. Beyond pointing you to, I can't find any other argument. The examples you point to would absolutely be relevant if WJEC was an acronym, but this isn't the case any more - however historically true it was. I have obvious conflict of interest risks here - and appreciate any doubts you may have of my contribution from that angle. Clawsofdoom (talk) 10:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Whatever WJEC calls itself, 'WJEC' is still linguistically an acronym for 'Welsh Joint Education Committee'. It wouldn't be called WJEC if it wasn't for the original meaning (and wouldn't still be called CBAC in Welsh for similar reasons). Ordinarily, this wouldn't be a problem because the article would be at WJEC, but some users argue that the radio station is just as important. So, it becomes a disambiguation issue and the guidelines say that the spelled-out name, as opposed to brackets, should be used. It is a bit hazy, though, with few examples to prove things either way.


 * I don't think you working for WJEC (or 'the WJEC' as I still naturally call them) really affects the issue, by the way. - Green Tentacle (talk) 16:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 4
I come across this article, I have to agree 100% with Green Tentacle... "The Manual of Style for abbreviations makes it clear that if two articles have a claim to an acronym (as is the case here - the exam board and the radio station), then the articles should be at their spelled out names. (The fact that the exam board is called 'WJEC' now is irrelevant - it still stands for 'Welsh Joint Education Committee'.) This would also put WJEC in line with the other acronym-based exam boards:


 * AQA is at Assessment and Qualifications Alliance
 * OCR is at Oxford, Cambridge and RSA Examinations
 * SQA is at Scottish Qualifications Authority
 * CCEA is at Council for the Curriculum, Examinations & Assessment (with an automatic redirect from CCEA)"

This page needs to move back to Welsh Joint Education Committee. For me the case for moving to overwhelming. Seth Whales  talk    10:52, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Regarding computerised marking
83.77.136.150, the source you've given makes no mention of computerised marking, in neither the text or the video. As all content on Wikipedia must be supported by a citation, I have reverted your edits. (talk) 14:19, 1 August 2015 (UTC)