Talk:WTAM

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Fair use rationale for Image:WKYClogo 1968.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:WWWE 1972.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:WWWE 1985.jpg
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WWWE years
Pete Franklin definitely bragged aloud that 3WE's nighttime signal was heard "over 38 states and half of Canada." I always mocked it by saying that he should've boasted "over 48 states and 3/4 of Canada."68.253.209.159 (talk) 01:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

April 1, 2009 edits
WTAM is again (mostly) IDing itself on air and on its website as 3WE, but note the date.... Mapsax (talk) 19:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC) Edited: Blog entry Mapsax (talk) 20:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Please be aware that http://www.ohiomediawatch.wordpress.com/ (formerly http://www.ohiomedia.blogspot.com/) – otherwise known as "Ohio Media Watch" ("OMW") – is an anonymous blog with no apparent editorial oversight and therefore does not qualify as a reliable source per WP:SELFPUBLISH. Relevant discussions include Talk:WMMS, User_talk:Levdr1lp, and Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_135.   Levdr1 lp  /  talk  09:15, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Analog format

 * Only 2,000 of the 13,000 analog AM/FM radio stations in the U.S. have converted to HD; of those that have converted, all still broadcast via analog as mandated by the FCC. Moreoever, the first HD channel of every HD Radio station is a simulcast of the analog signal -- again, as mandated by the FCC.
 * 239 million analog radio listeners in the U.S. vs. only 3 million HD Radio units. By far, analog is still the preferred choice among radio consumers.
 * Clearly, the infobox should reflect that analog technology is still the dominant form of transmission. It's also no secret that the radio industry has been heavily promoting HD Radio; by including only the HD Radio formats, one begins to question the credibility of this article's content.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedic endeavor, not a brochure for iBiquity.  Levdr1 (talk) 20:51, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

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Current primary logo
Regarding this edit, I agree that WTAM is *promoting* both the new simulcast logo and its older logo (incidentally, probably worth remembering that's the station's job, not Wikipedia's per WP:NOTPROMO). However, while each logo is used on two WTAM social media pages, only the older logo is currently used on the WTAM website main header, the iHeartMedia website (specifically, the WTAM entry in the station directory), and the WTAM iHeartRadio channel. The new simulcast logo may become the station's primary logo, but I don't see enough reason to replace the older logo in the infobox at this time. The simulcast logo is already present in the translator subsection, and this would seem the most appropriate location for now. Levdr1 lp /  talk  23:41, 16 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Update -- as noted in this edit summary, the WTAM website now uses the new simulcast logo, so I don't think we can definitively state that the older logo is still the primary logo. However, the older logo is still in use on the iHeartRadio stream and the iHeartMedia station directory, so I don't think we can definitely state that the new simulcast logo has replaced the old logo yet, either. Given the lack of a single definitive source, I still don't agree with replacing the older logo in the infobox at this time.   Levdr1 lp  /  talk  10:13, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


 * The only fair thing to do is list both logos equally, as it's becoming clear that the newer one is becoming more prevalent, and that the older one - while still used - is getting de-emphasized (if not phased out). Vjmlhds (talk) 19:45, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


 * - Not sure what fairness has to do with this. Radio station infoboxes typically include a single logo to identify the article subject; a second logo is unecessary and would needlessly clutter the infobox. There is also a dedicated subsection to the new FM translator, and given that the majority of online sources (both official and social media) still use the older logo, I don't see why either logo should move *yet*. It is not Wikipedia's job to promote the station, and there is no definitive source verifying that the primary logo has changed. Levdr1 lp  /  talk  02:30, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Instead of just us two old warhorses going round and round, let's have a third set of eyes take a look, and whatever happens, happens. The 2015 me would be digging in for battle right about now...the 2018 me - not so much. Vjmlhds (talk) 02:43, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


 * - I welcome a third opinion (or fourth, or fifth, etc.). That said, I don't think your reasons amount to any more than original research. WTAM is promoting Geraldo Rivera's new show with the new simulcast logo in a TV commercial? Ok. Inferring that the station has replaced its primary logo because of that commercial, and therefore concluding that the older logo is no longer the best means of identifying the subject of this article? That's just your own unverified assertion.  Levdr1 lp  /  talk  03:25, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


 * It's been 5 days - it's apparent we're at a standstill here.


 * Also, using simulcast logos is become a trend for iHeart stations in similar positions to WTAM...see WSPD 1370 in Toledo for an example close to home. It's clear WTAM wants to promote the simulcast logo on their biggest platforms (website, twitter, facebook, TV ads for Geraldo) to let people know about 106.9. To argue that the old logo still being used in lower profile places (iHeart directory, iHeart stream - where the new logo also appears on a smaller scale) is grasping at straws at this point. Vjmlhds (talk) 16:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Let's update the list just so we're all straight:


 * New logo: website, Twitter, Facebook, TV ads for Geraldo - 1st 3 frequently updated, all with the logo front and center
 * Old logo: directory, streaming page, You Tube (which rarely gets updated..last one being in October when they showed a police chase), Instagram (rarely updated...last one being in August when Aretha Franklin died)


 * So the old logo is in places which don't get too much attention, while the new logo is in places that are heavily frequented, updated, and promoted.


 * And it's not like TV/radio stations make big proclamations about logo changes...they just do it.


 * Vjmlhds (talk) 20:10, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

- 1) There is no rush. 2) The Toledo station is irrelevant. 3) Please link to the Geraldo commercial if you're going to use it as a basis for your argument. 4) I think it's safe to assume the iHeartRadio stream -- which still uses the older logo -- gets plenty of traffic. 5) If the iHeartRadio stream switches to the newer simulcast logo, most available online sources will have started using the simulcast logo; and moreover, both the station website and its online stream -- arguably the two most important online sources -- will have started using the simulcast logo. In that case, I would support using the simulcast logo in the infobox. Unless/until then, I don't. Levdr1 lp  /  talk  06:15, 12 December 2018 (UTC)


 * If/when the online stream switches to the new logo, and I happen to put the new logo back in the infobox before you do, I don't want to hear any complaints from the peanut gallery. If those are the terms you want to live by (website + stream), then I'm down with that, all I ask is once that happens, you don't come out of left field with some other reason not to put the new logo in the infobox. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:42, 12 December 2018 (UTC)~


 * - Last month (April 2020) the old logo was still in use on the iHeartRadio webstream. Today I noticed new logo is now in use on the webstream. Per this discussion, I was prepared to change the logo used in the infobox, but was unable to because you already had late last year (December 2019). I'm obligated to AGF, and I will continue to do so, but your decision to ignore this discussion and act on your own -- presumably because I have been away for a while -- does not help. Levdr1 lp  /  talk  08:19, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Evening host's expected exit
Regarding the expected exit of evening host Nick Camino for WKYC (per Cleveland.com story), please share your thoughts on this at the relevant discussion from my talk page: User talk:Levdr1lp. Levdr1 lp /  talk  02:33, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * To clarify- how should we treat this in the programming section? The Cleveland.com source is vague on when Camino stops hosting the WTAM evening shift (if he hasn't already), what happens to Sports Feed 2.0, etc. Levdr1 lp  /  talk  01:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I have deferred to and consider this content issue resolved (at least as far as the two of us are concerned).  Levdr1 lp  /  talk  22:05, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

New studios
Hey Nate, I'd like to ask you something because you'd probably know better than I do.

Have the iHeart Cleveland stations moved into their new downtown studios yet?

Once they do, then this article (and the other applicable ones) need to be updated accordingly, but have the U-Haul trucks officially been dispatched to Independence for the move north?

Vjmlhds (talk) 14:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)