Talk:WWE Cruiserweight Championship (1996–2007)

Shouldn't this be called WCW Cruiserweight Championship?
If someone had the nerve to rename the ECW Championship article back to ECW World Heavyweight Championship, shouldn't this article conform to the ECW Championship article as well? Since the Cruiserweight title was more 'prominent' and known longer as the WCW Cruiserweight Championship. That's basically the reasoning of Mr. 'UnquestionableTruth' did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.192.7 (talk) 06:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Removed deleted image(s)
Just a note to say that I have removed some [or an] image[s] from the page beacuse they were speediable under either:


 * Category:Images with no fair use rationale
 * Category:Images with no copyright tag
 * Category:Images with no source

Or similar category. Kilo-Lima|(talk) 17:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Statistics
The championship statistics need to be consistent. If the tag titles and world titles have stats, the cruiserweight title should have the same stats.

List of Eligible Wrestlers
I think a list of the superstars and extremists who meet the weight requirement for the Cruiserweight Championship could be a useful addition to the article. It would make things easier than having to search through the individual pages to find their billed weights. The WWE video games add even more confusion, in one of them, RVD could compete for it, while he is really a heavyweight. Does anyone agree with this? Gavyn Sykes 20:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem with this is there are so many people, and their weight can change a few pounds and suddenly they're eligible or they're not eligible. Plus, WWE signs and releases people all the time. Wrestlers also change shows enough times, especially around the end of the year and the beginning and draft lottery time. So, keeping up would be quite a challenge, and honestly, it's not needed. We don't have a list of women that can win the Women's Championship. I don't see why we need a similar list here. Anakinjmt 04:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

That's true, but keep in mind that WWE has far more cruiserweights that women employed as wrestlers. Perhaps just a list of Smackdown! Superstars eligible. It wouldn't be all that long and the title is held on that brand alone anyway. Raw's Superstars and the Extremists won't be going after all unless we have another invitational. Gavyn Sykes 21:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, I don't think this is feasable, for reasons stated above, plus a list like that would, I believe, just take up space and clutter the article. Anakinjmt 19:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Chavo's Weight
According to the info currently in this and Chavo's article he is over the weight limit.Gavyn Sykes 19:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Initial WWF Light Heavyweight lineage claims
I seem to remember that after the Alliance lost in November 2001 and the WCW Cruiserweight Championship became a WWF title, WWF's title histories website treated the new WWF Cruiserweight Championship as if it were the WWF Light Heavyweight Title. Basically, the history started with TAKA Michinoku (the first Light Heavyweight Champion WWE recognizes) and went up to October 22, 2006, when Tajiri defeated X-Pac (who was also WWF LH Champ) for the Cruiserweight title, at which point the title history shifted to describe the new Cruiserweight Champions. I tried to find the page on The Internet Archives, but the fact that the WWF used Flash for the website at the time makes it difficult. Jeff Silvers 16:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Light Heavyweight title wasn't merged.
The light heavyweight title was not merged with the Cruiserweight title it was abandoned while X-Pac was off camera for behavior issues. He won the Cruiserweight title but lost it again while still holding the light heavyweight title. he then went on to lose and win the light heavyweight title again in august after the articles said the titles were merged. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.249.27.66 (talk) 23:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Per Wikipedia policy, material has not been verified be a reliable source is considered original research, which is not allowed under any surcomstances in an article. You have failed to provide a notable source that cleary states that the titles were not unified. WWE.com official states in this link that the titles were in fact unified after Kidman's defeat. -- bullet proof  3:16 00:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * And per this link, it shows proof that the titles were defended seperately after the July 30th date you keep mentioning. -- VWG 07:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

That goes against what is established by what was on screen, and the fact that the Light Heavyweight title was defended seperately long after july 30th 2001. It was still being defended at house shows before X-Pac was brought in to the nWo that was a long time later. The titles were simply never merged.


 * Unfortunately you have failed to provide a reliable source for your claim. No source = Original Research.-- bullet proof  3:16 00:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Considering uploading the Raw where Foley Stated that there wouldn't be a merger match for the titles is illegal I can't proved the source. WWE.com should never be considered a legitimate source because they change stories to fit what they are doing at any time. The July 30'th date doesn't work because the titles were seperated on televised events after that the Light Heavyweight title itself changed hands twice after that, once to Tajiri and then back to X-Pac after X-pac had already lost the cruiserweight title. I would think putting up false information is worse than information that can't be sourced other than TV episodes.


 * Sorry, but until a source has been provided the un-verified information is considered Original Research which is unencyclopedic. -- bullet proof  3:16 00:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * While I agree we should definitely find a source, we probably shouldn't rely on WWE.com for this. I couldn't find it in the Internet Archive because they used Flash for the wwftitlehistory.com subsite back in 2001, but when the WCW Crusierweight Championship was rebranded as a WWF title, the title history page at the time suggested the new title shared lineage with the WWF Light Heavyweight Championship.  WWE is notorious for attempting to rewrite their own history, so maybe the proper thing to do is leave it ambiguous for now; I think it's better not to mention it than to give an inaccurate description of events just because the latter is sourced. Jeff Silvers 13:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

If you need a source, 3:16, watch a PPV from the period, they clearly show that both I and the other person here attempting to correct your mistakes are correct. Pro Wrestling Insider releases Almanacs every year which also state this.

I have no idea how to edit things to show sources, but the guy who mentioned PWI Almanacs is correct, and there are also many websites that mention title histories, such as www.deathvalleydriver.com, which state that the aforemention X-Pac title loss occurred. Maybe someone who knows what they're doing can change the article to reflect that fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.178.99 (talk) 17:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Cruiserweight Championship of the World
This used to be in the article how during ring announcements it's called the Cruiserweight Championship of the World, someone removed it, then someone readded it, and then I corrected it. Why is it being taken out? I find it extremely relevant as that is how Tony Chimmel and others have referred to it, and even Michael Cole I believe has also called it that, even in WCW the commentators sometimes called it the World Cruiserweight Championship, as they used to even call the WCW Light Heavyweight Championship the WCW World Light Heavyweight Championship. I don't see the point as to why it shouldn't be mentioned. TonyFreakinAlmeida 17:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Tony, I think back in WCW it was also referred as the WCW World Cruiserweight Championship. It would make sense for the WWE calling it formally as the WWE World Cruiserweight Championship. Johnluisocasio (talk) 22:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Title abandoned?
The Cruiserweight Championship has been removed from the SmackDown! superstars webpage. http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/

However, the title is listed as "vacant" on the title history page. http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/

It strikes me as possible that WWE is going to abandon the title. Although it is too early to make that determination, seeing how the title has been vacant for over a month, I wanted to alert everyone to that possibility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.212.242.246 (talk) 20:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I buy it considering it's been vacant over a month and they still haven't ever showed any intention of having some sort of tournament or match to decide a new champion, and dirtsheet reports beforehand were saying that WWE planned to have it go away for about a year before bringing in a new weight-limited championship, giving it to Hornswoggle was probably the first step in getting people to just not care about it anymore. TonyFreakinAlmeida 15:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Odds are they might bring back the European Championship. 207.69.137.25 (talk) 22:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Looking back
''WWE has quietly removed the Cruiserweight Championship from the SmackDown superstars page on the official WWE web site. It is unknown whether or not WWE dropped the title altogether or just took it off of WWE.com because there is no current Cruiserweight Championship with Hornswoggle moving to RAW.''
 * Hm....is it just me or did I predict this earlier (check the talk page for the Hornswoggle article for a post I made earlier last month). I predicted they would be ditching the Cruiserweight title and I had a bit of an argument with another user over it who thought he was right. Well it looks like I was right. Tyler Warren (talk/contribs) 11:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The latter, I doubt WWE would abandon the Cruiserweight Championship, and even if they did they wouldnt do so quietly. Whenever a championship is declared vacant its removed from the page, just look at the United States title, back when Booker T & Chris Benoit where having there Best of 7 series in 2005-2006. It could just be that they havent found a suitable new champion yet, as Mysterio is busy with Finlay, Guerrero & Helms are both out of action and Hornswoggle is in his feud with McMahon, leaving Jamie Noble & Jimmy Wang Yang the only real potential candidates.


 * I'd advise you to drop the stick now before someone gets hurt. 86.16.154.174 (talk) 13:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

What about Shannon Moore and Funaki? Lee 21:33, 14 DECEMBER 2007 (UTC)
 * Funaki is a former cruiserweight champion to boot. ArcAngel (talk) 14:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This is just my opinion here but they put the belt on Hornswoggle probably to demean it and as a way for people to forget about it. I wouldn't be surprised if they bring back the Light Heavyweight title - perhaps under a different name - in the next year or two years to replace the cruiserweight title.  Because at least that title's lineage hasn't been as crapped on as this one. TonyFreakinAlmeida (talk) 18:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please stay on task, Wikipedia is not a forum.-- T r U C o  - X  14:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Vacant to Vacated
On the Superstars page they have changed the word after Cruiserweight Champion from Vacant to Vacated. Vacant seems to be a more present term where Vacated is more past meaning the Cruiserweight Title is a past title? I'm not saying its defunct or anything but are wwe trying to tell people thats its gone for good? Note it still stays Vacant on the Title History page Tomiggy (talk) 23:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC) Tomiggy


 * Vacant just means that the title has no present champion. Until they officially announce the deactivation of the title we wont know for sure. -- bullet proof  3:16 23:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

You were Right the championship have been vacated since late september of last year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.237.220.220 (talk) 00:22, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

On WWE.com under title histories they have put the CW title on the list with other deactivated titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.4.220 (talk) 02:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Last champion?
Should Hornswoggle as last championship reign be added to the statistics? 3pointswish (talk) 09:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

It just says "On September 28, 2007, the title was vacated after Hornswoggle[2] After a six month absence, on March 3, 2008, WWE removed the championship from the active superstars web page, where originally the title was listed as "vacant." This doesnt make sense but I dont know whats missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.141.111.2 (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Weight limit and other names
At least at one point the weight limit was 220lbs, not 215. I wasn't even aware it had ever been lowered to 215. Furthermore, it was at one point renamed the 100 Kilos And Under Title, as part of Lance Storm's gimmick in WCW, when he held this, the WCW US/Canadian Title and the WCW Hardcore/Saskatchewan Hardcore International Title.76.234.154.131 (talk) 07:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The limit was lowered going into the The Great American Bash (2007), which was the last time WWE ever mentioned a weight limit. Do you have a source that states that under Lance Storm's reign, the title was renamed??--~ S R  S ~ 14:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

"First and only female"
I was going to bring it up here first, but I decided to be bold and just edit it anyway. The page included the following statement: "Rey Mysterio Jr. has had the most title reigns with 8 in total. Jacqueline Moore is the first and only female to win the Cruiserweight Championship." The former statement includes Rey's first five reigns with the title in its WCW incarnation, yet the latter discounts the WCW reigns of Madusa and Daffney. To fix this discrepancy, I've changed it to "Rey Mysterio Jr. has had the most title reigns with 8 in total, 5 of which were with WCW and 3 of which were with WWE. Three women have held the championship; Madusa and Daffney both had reigns with WCW while Jacqueline Moore is the only female to win the Cruiserweight Championship in its WWE incarnation." Sordyne (talk) 17:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 18:32, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

WWE Cruiserweight Championship → WCW Cruiserweight Championship – The title was in existence for 17 years, for 10 of which it was known as the "WCW Cruiserweight Championship". The title was contested in WCW during its peak television ratings period - television ratings during its stint in the WWF/WWE were generally lower. The title also arguably enjoyed greater prominence in WCW than in WWE. Now the the championship is inactive, the page should be moved to the name by which the title is best known, not simply the name by which it was most recently known. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:54, 10 May 2014 (UTC) McPhail (talk) 16:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Support as nominator. I think the title's heyday was undoubtedly around 1996-1998 in WCW. McPhail (talk) 16:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Undecided It definitely had more relevance to WCW proper. The Cruiserweight Division was one of the few good things they had going, ratings notwithstanding, and this title helped springboard some big names (Jericho, Mysterio, Malenko, even Juvi to a degree.) When I personally hear "Cruiserweight", I think WCW. "Light heavyweight" still seems like WWE. But, obviously, times do change and so do names. It still exists (in a way) as a retired WWE championship after 13 years, and WWE did prove to be the bigger show. Post-Y2J audiences may reasonably relate it more to WWE. Tough call. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:29, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Based on logic similar to that used by Inedible Hulk, I believe both names for the title are roughly equally common. Since the title is currently owned by the WWE (although it is inactive), the identification of the title with the WWE is likely to grow over time.  It also standard practice to maintain the same title when a question is roughly equally divided, as I believe this one is. Xoloz (talk) 19:28, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
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Separate article
Does anyone think the current title and the original should have separate pages (with the original under the name "WCW Cruiserweight Championship)? Mauro Ranallo made it pretty clear on the finale of the Cruiserweight Classic tonight that this was an all-new championship and not a continuation of the original. Thoughts? Jgera5 (talk) 05:04, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. It's the same case as the Raw Women's Championship when it was introduced back at WrestleMania as the WWE Women's Championship. Same name, but different title. -- JDC808  ♫  05:07, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Can somebody go in and change the title of the title history for the original WWE Cruiserweight Championship so that everything lines up where it's supposed to?DigificWriter (talk) 05:51, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I was going to, but it appears that you've done it, which was done incorrectly. There's a drop down beside the search bar called "Move". Click on that, change the name, save. You created an entirely new article and now we gotta go through a merger process and get things fixed. -- JDC808  ♫  06:12, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Requested move January 10 2021

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The result of the move request was: Disambiguated. Sceptre (talk) 22:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

WWE Cruiserweight Championship (1996–2007) → WWE Cruiserweight Championship – The other title has been deactivated and the name changed to NXT Cruiserweight Championship. The 1997-2007 disambiguator isn't needed. Just a note "for the other Cruiserweight title, see NXT CW title" works. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:50, 10 January 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Aervanath (talk) 20:30, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Being that both titles were known by the WWE name for a large chunk of their histories, neither of them should get the undisambigauted name. That is, there's no primary topic between the two. The recently defunct NXT title was the WWE Cruiserweight Championship for the majority of its existence (about 37 months vs 26 1/2), so it has just as valid of a claim to the name. Using the NXT name does recognize that it was last known by that name and acts as natural disambiguation, but that doesn't really free up the name for the ex-WCW title (which was known by that name for about half of its lifespan). The dates make the title unambiguous. And the hat it's are already in place. oknazevad (talk) 17:48, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and would support making WWE Cruiserweight Championship a disambiguation page. The reason behind this is that pages like this are a magnet for incorrect incoming links. When the target is a disambiguation page, if a new link is set to it, then a bot informs the editor of it, and the link itself is colored in yellow. Both of those mean that corrections can be made much easier. Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and support making WWE Cruiserweight Championship a disambiguation page as per Gonnym. Facts707 (talk) 03:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree that both title had the same name during similar amount of time. However, during the era of the first one, WWE was more popular and audience were bigger. Smackdown had near 4.0 rating in 2002 and 2.5 in 2007. The newer title was barely defenden on PPV and 205Live is a very secondary show. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:52, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * And the title had an even longer history as the WCW Cruiserweight Championship during the Monday Night Wars, the highest rated period in the history of pro wrestling. If we use tv viewership as a criteria then this should be moved to the WCW name. But we don't. oknazevad (talk) 14:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)