Talk:WWE Wreckless Intent

Randy Orton's theme
Will whoever keeps insisting that Randy Orton's new theme title ISN'T "Fixation On The Darkness" please provide your proof. So far, anyone would have reason to believe that you're the only one that could provide proof, since I've listened to Fixation, and the song sounds TOO much like Orton's theme to just be a coincidence (THE TV VERSION STARTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SONG, NEAR THE CHORUS!!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.214.213 (talk • contribs)
 * Well, then, provide your proof that Orton's song IS "Fixation". Until then, and until WWE reveals the song name, we will assume that it's NOT "Fixation".
 * Here's the proof that it isn't Fixation: Orton's new entrance video. Hope that clears this up. --Oakster 20:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

The name of the song...
To me, the name of Orton's new song seems to be "This Fire Burns", because the singer seems to say that phrase quite often. Now, I'm not saying that it IS the name, but it seems like it should be.

Heres your Proof
Who ever it is that keeps insisting that randy ortons new theme is "Fixation On The Darkness" should listen to the song and then listen to the entrance theme. The lyrics are completely diffrent. Randy Ortons new theme is obviously a new song Killswitch Engage recently made and will be on a future album for the band starting with The new WWE CD, thats name is right now unknown. just because the musics similar dosent mean its the same song. Theres your proof MatrixiJ

Acceptance
Ok i have made a slight error. The lyrics sounded the same at first but then when i really listen, I can see that the lyrics are completly different. Sorry for the error. Those who said This Fire Burns was correct in saying it would work as a title. Killswitch Engage

Orton's song
How has Randy's song been leaked onto the net? The only version we have is the :38 clip from his TitanTron.
 * From what I can tell, someone took the music from the 'Tron video and simply remixed it. Methnor 11:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Leaked onto Net
Buddy, there is no actual name that is known at the moment. We're all just speculating what it could be right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Killswitch Engage (talk • contribs)

Title
It would make perfect sense for the title to be named This fire Burns. The singer says the line twice in the first 38 seconds of the song. User:Kilswitch Engage

But, it's the fact that "This Fire Burns" hasn't been revealed as the official title for the song, so until then, it's just a rumor.

Well, yes it's just a rumor, but all im saying is that it would make a perfect title for the song.--Killswitch Engage 04:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

I know it would make a perfect title for the song. We just gotta wait 'til two months from now to find out.

Yes, I know, and im sry if I pissed anyone off. Now my main concern is what the song has to do with Ortons gimmick. --Killswitch Engage 05:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

Regarding Orton's KE song
How many times do people have to be told that WWE has NOT yet revealed the OFFICIAL title of Orton's song!!!

We can stop arguing about this now. It doesn't seem that Orton will use the KE song for long. He used his old Mercy Drive music on SmackDown this evening. --Killswitch Engage 04:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Freestyle

Randy Orton Theme
This Fire Burns is not the confirmed title of Randy Ortons song. I am removing the title. --Killswitch Engage 01:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage
 * Well, duh. Lots of anons have been adding it for some reason I can't fathom, and people have been removing it. No real need to write it here. Methnor 13:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

WHOEVER KEEPS ADDING THIS FIRE BURNS PLEASE QUIT IT. IT IS NOT THE CONFIRMED TITLE OF RANDY ORTONS MUSIC. --Killswitch Engage 21:58, 18 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

The only thing I've been adding is the rumor about the name of Orton's theme to the "NOTES" section.

Burn in my light

 * Well, post the message that he sent you, of course editing out the contact info. Because, if it came from the band, then it should be true.

SORRY guys I was asked to remove the info I posted


 * Well, I'd say to put BIML under the "NOTES" section as a rumor. Also, probably could put "This Fire Burns" as a rumor for the title of Orton's new song under the "NOTES" section as well. As Jake said, JJ's waiting for the other artists to send back their completed contracts for the album, so we'll have see what happens.

Hmm theres one prob with this how can Mercy Drive be in talks with WWE if WWE owns the rights to the song??? --Killswitch Engage 18:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

Should you add CM punk for This fire burns. He uses it much more than Orton.

Album Title
Where are you guys getting the information as to what the new album will be called? There isn't anything on Amazon.com or FYE, and I've searched on Google for it with no success. The so-called website that supposedly has all the official information regarding it has spelled as "Wreckless Intent". Someone told me to search Yahoo! for all the answers, but all the results are from either wrestling news sites or forum threads. I have found nothing official regarding the name. OutRider2003 01:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Because on the SmackDown! that Orton's theme debuted, Michael Cole said the name of the album was "Wreckless/Reckless Intent".

And yet there isn't anything official on how it's going to be spelled? OutRider2003 12:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * WWE.com says "Wreckless Intent". Link Maestro25 05:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The album cover posted says "Reckless Intent"... should the article be moved? --HBK|Talk 18:23, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I have no idea where that cover came from and is probabily fake. The official title has been confirmed by WWE to be spelt as "Wreckless Intent". --Oakster 21:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Not a 100% Forceable Entry sequel
Can this be considered an actual Forceable Entry sequel when it is going to have rap and reggaeton songs included? Wasn't the point of Wreckless Intent to be a Rock/Metal CD, not a mix of Forceable Entry (Rock) and Aggression (Rap)? LKirven517 20:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It is considered a sequel to Forceable Entry in that from the Brand New Sin article, the album was originally called WWE Forceable Entry 2. --Oakster 07:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Who keeps removing information?
Its anoying,When wwe.com posts information and says certain bands are going to be on it and then someone removes the info from the main page.

Wes_jett2008
 * It is annoying. I put the footnotes there to show that Three 6 Mafia, Tego Calderón, Motörhead have been confirmed for the album. However, telling from the edit history it seems to be only one person with IP addresses beginning with 66.42.50, which prevents me from actually telling the person to quit it. --Oakster 07:40, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a source to confirm these musicians? --RequiemTheory 22:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah he did...if you would look about 6 inches down and read the freaking artical it says stuff about three 6 mafia,motorhead and others...its not that hard to read --wes_jett2008 5:30 pm, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the mature response to my question, wes_jett2008. The Music Group reference does indeed divulge those musicians, although it's not the most evident reference in the article.

Sorry I was just getting agravated about the info ALWAYS getting removed. --wes_jett2008

Disturbed
Is Disturbed still confirmed for this album? Early reports seemed to be legit, and I think it was even posted on Disturbed's official website some time ago, but now they're recurringly added to and deleted from the article.
 * I'm still assuming they're on due to a WWE press release last month :
 * MUSIC: WWE has secured the rights to rock legend Peter Gabriel’s international smash, “Big Time,” as the stadium-rattling “Official Theme Song” for the April 2 event and its marketing campaign. Some artists involved in WWE’s latest entrance theme compilation, scheduled for release by Columbia Recordsin May 2006, may be featured at WrestleMania 22. Among those covering WWE Superstar themes for the compilation are Disturbed, P.O.D., Saliva, Killswitch Engage, Zebrahead, and Avenged Sevenfold.
 * --Oakster 10:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

That's a clear confirmation. Therefore, I'm putting them back in the article. --RequiemTheory 16:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Where wre the KE, Moterhead and other titles confirmed???--Killswitch Engage 03:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

In about every artical about the cd.... wes_jett2008

Hard Hittin'
For those wondering, I'm assuming that "Hard Hittin'" will be the theme song of Bobby Lashley. Looking at his moniker (Hard Hitting, Soft Spoken), it is safe to say that WWE is saving this song for him.
 * --UnknownUser 2:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:69.219.227.139 (talk • contribs)
 * There's still nothing confirming that he's going to have a theme on the album though. --Oakster 10:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I suspect this will be Big Show's theme, considering he is confirmed to have a new theme on the album and that the title seems to fit in with his persona/character. However, I would not change this until a true confirmation can be made by WWE or a reputable source. 204.52.215.102 01:33, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

SmackDown Theme
A few weeks ago, the WWE debuted a different mix of the "Rise Up" theme they have been using for SmackDown (which now makes about 6 different "mixes" of this song we've gotten now since they started using it). It's interesting to note that this debuted just a month or so before the CD is set to drop. Anyone know who is singing this mix (it's almost obvious that this is NOT Drowning Pool doing this version), and whether or not this might be one of the "unknowns" people are wondering about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.214.213 (talk • contribs)
 * It is still Drowning Pool but now under their new vocalist Ryan McCombs. I doubt by the tracklisting given the theme will be included. --Oakster 09:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

May 2006 Issue of SmackDown! Magazine Ad
Yesterday, I received my copy of SmackDown! Magazine in the mail, and while thumbing through the pages, I stumbled upon an add for the album. The ad lists many artists that had been mentioned previously, but also denies rumors of other artis, and also introduces some new names to the fold. While Sony originally confirmed only fifteen tracks for the album, the ad confirms another sixteenth track that has been added to the fold. The ad only mentions artists, and gives no song titles or wrestlers who will receive these songs, but I thought I'd run down the list of artists confirmed by this WWE sponsored and endorsed ad.

Saliva, Killswitch Engage, Homebwoi, Zebrahead, Brand New Sin, P.O.D., Theory of a Deadman, Silkk The Shocker, Motorhead, Avenged Sevenfold, Suck Or Punch, Chunk, Tego Calderon, Shadows Fall, Three 6 Mafia, Drowning Pool,

Obviously, there are some new names on that list, along with no mention of Mercy Drive. With the newest news of there being 16 tracks being confirmed by WWE, and these new artists. I saw this as rather important news to bring into discussion. I won't add anything, yet, as I've done in the past, but I still feel this should be discussed amongst everyone.
 * --UnknownUser 18:38, 11 April 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:70.236.20.168 (talk • contribs)


 * That's interesting. I must admit, I was quite suprised at the tracklisting when it was revealed. As far as I know, telling from the MySpace conversation with a Mercy Drive member it seems that Burn in My Light was a last minute deal so that might have affected this. Either way, it isn't the first time that artists were approached for a song and the song ended up unused (see Forceable Entry with Slayer and Type O Negative). --Oakster 10:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

This Fire Burns
I removed Randy Orton's name from being associated with "This Fire Burns" as his theme music as the official press release by Columbia Records does not list Randy Orton's name beside that particular song. 67.141.243.61 22:55, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Im re-adding it because Orton used it on an edition of SmackDown.That counts as being associated.--24.70.95.203 04:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

He used it once and neither press release nor the WWE has recognized that as his new official song, eventhough he used it for one week. If anything it should be added to the trivia notes section which I think someone already did. 151.213.106.208 17:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

30 second sample
I added the part about the samples.....

what song is everyone's favorite? wes_jett2008 27th April 2006

Rise Up 2006
The article has changed since I last looked at it, for the information about the new version of Rise Up 2006 for Smackdown - I was wondering if any of you could go more in-depth about where to get it, because I've searched all over wwe.com with no result, and I've already downloaded the tracks I wanted from wwe.com as well and I don't plan on going to Walmart and buying the album. Any info would be appreciated, and BTW my favorite song on the album has to be Hard Hittin'.

To download "Rise Up 2006" and "Pay The Price" download Limewire first.

Thanks, I tried searching like the same day the album was released, got to give it some time, I have both tracks now.

Erased data
When I first looked at "This Fire Burns", it had CM Punk's name next to it, which was his correct theme song. Now, someone erased it. WHO THE HECK DID IT?
 * That would be me. The reasoning to it is that Tracklisting should list what is actually on the CD case itself. As you can see on the back cover tracklisting, it is blank next to "This Fire Burns" so the tracklisting should have nobody next to it. The Notes section is there to show how the songs were really used and already features a note about Orton/Judgment Day/Punk. --Oakster (Talk) 08:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Conflict in track listing
I'm noticing that the track listing is repeatedly changing in the subject as seen below:

Please note that the "subject" column shows what is on the official track listing and that the bottom template should be used. Please refer to the "Notes" section of the article for current day uses.
 * User:63.3.21.1 21:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Umm...people keep deleting the info from the notes section, too. It's not like people are that stupid to not realize the themes were being used. Someone should just put a sign next to those not listed officially, and then just reveal it as not being on the official track listing, but still used for that particular PPV or wrestler. Trying to come to SOME comprimise. Maybe I should change it. 24.3.214.213 22:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm Comin'
Question. This song was on this CD which was released in May of 2006.....When was MVP signed? Because if he wasn't signed until several months later, we basically had a preview of a future wrestler's entrance music. Then again, if he was signed before then, it makes sense. Answers plz ^_^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Падший ангел (talk • contribs)


 * MVP didn't even make his debut until months after this CD was released. Therefore the CD track listing did not show that the song was intended to be used by him. Since the track listing does not list This Fire Burns and I'm Coming as CM Punk's and MVP's entrance theme, we do not list them as such here, even though they currently use these songs.-- bullet proof  3:16 17:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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Edit War
I have suggested this be the version listed on the article but people keep reverteing to this. I would like to discuss and posible vote on the official version that will go in the article. To vote list A or B before your vote thanks.-- M o n n it ew a r s  (talk) 04:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Do not change per Monnitewars' suggestion. The version of the article before his changes provides a source for the subject. Monnitewars' revision has no source. —C.Fred (talk) 04:49, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * JUST VOTE!-- M o n n it ew a r s  (talk) 04:51, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Polling is not a substitute for discussion. Never "just vote". / edg ☺ ★ 10:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * How's this for sourcing?-- M o n n it ew a r s  (talk) 04:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * B (names on album) - That is how the names appear in the album. Personally, I would propose that the table be eliminated, as it's not the still listed in the Wikimusic project. I'd also like to comment that your movements off the WWE Light Heavyweight Championship article are humerous, considering that your reasoning is "it's what WWE.com says", and yet, you're denouncing that same site as a source in this case. Mshake3 04:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * List B - it contains more complete information than Monnitewar's version. It states that some of the songs were not used at the time of the CD's release, and thusly did not have a superstar listed with the track. It does state that the songs were later used by X. More complete info means a more encyclopedic article.  The  Hyb  rid  04:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Mine has more names. HOw is List b more encyclopedic?-- M o n n it ew a r s  (talk) —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 04:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It provides an accurate representation of how the album was released. Yours is just wrong. Mshake3 05:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It not only states who each song went to, but it provides background info about when each song went to each person. Neither is wrong, IMO, but list a is a little bit less complete. Cheers,  The  Hyb  rid  05:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

This topic was cross-posted to WT:ALBUM. I'll just note that the table headings "Track" and "Song" should be "#" and "Title" per WP:ALBUM. --PEJL 09:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * B (names on album), per The Hybrid, Mshake3. Format should be changed per PEJL. / edg ☺ ★ 10:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * List B If you change something, you need to provide a source. It should be reverted to the sourced format. GaryColemanFan 15:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This sourced crap is just that crap...why do you wanna stick Wikipedia in the past instead looking to the future.-- M o n n it ew a r s  (talk) 16:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You asked people for their opinions. My opinion is that a sourced statement is better than an unsourced statement. As far as I'm concerned, replacing sourced statements with unsourced statements is what "stick[s] Wikipedia in the past." GaryColemanFan 18:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sometime you gotta go unsourced though.-- M o n n it ew a r s  (talk) 18:07, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Justify that with a Wikipedia policy other than your oft-cited "Ignore All Rules." GaryColemanFan 18:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * List B. That is the correct sourced version. It's not outdated. Going unsourced is unacceptable. The album was released in a certain way, that's how it's listed here. The consensus is clear here. RobJ1981 18:34, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Monnitewars' statement of "Sometime you gotta go unsourced though" shows that this is a debate about whether or not we obey WP:V. I'm afraid that this means this whole discussion is pointless. The legal policies (ie WP:BLP, WP:FAIR, WP:V, etc.) are non-negotiable; nothing trumps them, not even a consensus, or the ever-so controversial and disliked WP:IAR.  The  Hyb  rid  18:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's corect it's correct..can't change that not even policy can.-- M o n n it ew a r s  (talk) 18:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, the legal policies can. Nonetheless, they are both correct, but one has a source and is more complete, while the other does not have a source and it is less complete. I don't even see why you would propose this; this isn't even a contest.  The  Hyb  rid  19:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In my opinion you've got the complete part reversed.-- M o n n it ew a r s  (talk) 19:16, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree on that, but nonetheless this discussion won't do anything. As previously mentioned, the legal policies, meaning the policies created to prevent Wikipedia from falling into legal peril, are non-negotiable. Not all policies are created equal, and WP:IAR is on the bottom of the heap, while the legal policies trump all of the others.  The  Hyb  rid  19:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Personally, I don't give a shit which way you guys go, but as per WP:ALBUMS, the artists who perform a song is secondary to the song itself, i.e. the songs should be listed after the track numbers, not the performing artists. Anyway, change that and I'm good. You guys can get back to your tantrum edit wars now. -- linca linca  11:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, now that I've familiarised myself with the subject matter, this is a case where both sources need to be clearly indicated on the article. Obviously there's a matter of contention here and both sides should be indicated here. Neither should be in the track listing table. Both sides should be equally noted on the article under a heading entitled "controversy". The reference for the original sleeve/pamphlet/liner note should be constructed using cite book and the WW version should be made with cite web. We're here to create a neutral and unbiased web, and so all sources (and in this case, they both appear to be of an official nature, though in conflict with one another) should be cited on the page. This will end your edit war and everybody gets what they want (except you have to just do a little more work to be able to compile this compromise citing all applicable sources). One comment: WP:V is not a legal policy or guideline. It's a guideline to ensure the reliability and therefore popularity of Wikipedia. WP:BLP is borderline on being a legal policy, but really, it doesn't affect this mater in the slightest. As to WP:FAIR, I don't know how the hell that even bears relevance to the topic. Ultimately, WP:IAR is probably the best explanation of what should be used here: where other guidelines stand in the way of providing a comprehensive encyclopedic resource, the rules should be ignored.
 * In summary: show both; explain why you have to show both; take it out of the table, because that makes it too messy. There's nothing wrong with showing that there's conflicting sources. It actually increases our reliabilty rather than compromising it. -- linca linca  12:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Stop posting the way that tracks that are used now adays. What matters is what's on the album, please!

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Missing Guest
You might want to mention that the song "Booyaka 619" by P.O.D. features Latino rapper Mad One, whose name is provided in the liner notes for additional vocals. This entry from Discogs contains screenshots of the CD liner notes where Mad One's name is listed; click on the album cover to view the pamphlet. ElMeroEse (talk) 02:04, 29 September 2023 (UTC)