Talk:WWF Women's Tag Team Championship

Requested move 8 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. The consensus is the current title is the common name. Jenks24 (talk) 10:16, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

WWF Women's Tag Team Championship → WWE Women's Tag Team Titles – As can be seen at The Jumping Bomb Angels vs. The Glamour Girls: Prime Time Wrestling, Aug. 8, 1987 uploaded to WWE's official YouTube channel 13 December 2012, the description reads "The Jumping Bomb Angels get an opportunity at The Glamour Girls' WWE Women's Tag Team Titles on Prime Time Wrestling." This indicates that WWE has altered the name retroactively so that the "WWF" version is actually a past incarnation. The present "WWF Women's Tag Team Championship" can be listed in the template under "pastnames = " since WWE over-rode them prior to 2013.

This phrasing is also used in the video's hosting on WWE.com: http://www.wwe.com/videos/the-jumping-bomb-angels-vs-the-glamour-girls-prime-time-wrestling-aug-8-1987-26076113
 * "The Jumping Bomb Angels get an opportunity at The Glamour Girls' WWE Women's Tag Team Titles on Prime Time Wrestling."

This phrasing was also utilized in Bring it Back!: Women's Tag Team Titles an article by Michael Burdick published on the official WWE site 5 January 2012. Aside from the title, the phrase is used within the body as well: Only in the final line is "championship" referred to instead of "titles":
 * WWE.com calls for the return of the WWE Women’s Tag Team Titles.
 * Yet despite the incredible ability and influence of these past elites among the singles ranks, they never had a strong enough group of female competitors at their side that would allow the Women’s Tag Team Titles to build a true legacy.
 * By throwing such a grand prize like the Women's Tag Team Titles back into play, WWE would add a crucial dimension to today’s Divas picture
 * "WWE, the time has come to bring back the Women’s Tag Team Championship.

An alternative location for the move could also be WWE Women's Tag Team Championship.

The secret history of phantom title changes by Bobby Melok (13 December 2012) page 7 The Glamour Girls' suspicious trip to Egypt was uploaded the same day as the initial YT clip in question, so it is just as recent a contender for naming purposes. It says:
 * The WWE Women’s Tag Team Championship dates back to 1983, when WWE assumed control of the NWA’s titles and Velvet McIntyre & Princess Victoria were named the first champions.
 * If it is true, why did the Women’s Tag Team Titles disappear from WWE for nearly two years?

Seems WWE will use "Titles" and "Championship" interchangeably. It appears the key difference is that "titles" is plural while "championship" is singular. Titles generally being a sub for "belt" (there being 2) while the championship I guess is the position represented by both.

Whether we keep Championhip or move to Titles, the WWF>WWE change appears to be necessary. Even if they have not been defended under their 'WWE' incarnation, I think this serves as evidence that WWE has opted to recognize them and rename it even in a retired state. Ranze (talk) 13:52, 8 September 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 12:58, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose unless thy bring it back it should be listed by what the nameplate said, not what the wwe says now. MPJ  -US 10:41, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose The title was known as the WWF Women's Tag Team Championship while it was active, it was retired long before McMahon was forced to change the name of his company because of that other WWF. As a result of that change, whenever WWE republishes old sources they do so with the current company name. We're not bound by their rules and it would be re-writing history to move this article from its WP:COMMONNAME.  If the title is reactivated, with the same lineage, then we can have this discussion again.LM2000 (talk) 08:44, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


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Regarding File:WWF Women's Tag belt.jpg I made a note of what I think it says:
 * "NWA World Wrestling Lady Tag Team Champion"

Does anyone agree or disagree? The order is a bit flexible, its possible you could read it as "World Lady Wrestling" instead of "World Wrestling Lady" but I figured going top>bottom is simplest.

I found a high-quality image which might help us in figuring this out:

http://img2.shuaijiao.com/images/2014/0728/20140728084302833.jpg

I think it might actually be "Worlds" not "World" and "Wrestler" not "Wrestling" and "Champions" not "Champion" so I will make a changes reflecting that.

Also since "World Wrestler Lady Tag Team Champions" doesn't make sense, I am thinking it might actually be "World Lady Wrestler Tag Team Champions" so will also switch the order. Ranze (talk) 14:08, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Revival in video games
I happened across a gameplay video from WWE '13 uploaded 17 November 2012. It starts out described as a "Women's Tag Team Tornado Tag Team Ladder" but notably at the 4 minute mark it shows the referee holding up 2 identical belts and at the end the announcers says "your new world tag team champions" so does that mean the title exists in this game? Ranze (talk) 14:26, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Beauty + Talent
There is a glaring lack of name for the first 2 holders of the title, only the last 2 teams have names.

I came across this this image on this pinterest supposedly copied from Facebook (although I'm not sure where).

Notably it does not look as if the "Beauty + Talent" over "Velvet & Victoria" caption was fan-made. The orange lettering appears faded in the same way as the yellow background and the V for Velvet is clearly cut off, which you would not expect if it was fan-made.

Also supporting this being official is a similar image appearing in this gallery.

AH check out this magazine cover on E-Bay, that pretty much confirms it, they're published on a cover as "Beauty + Talent".

This makes me think that this name was actually used in a magazine in some official capacity to represent the team.

Since we lack a name for the inaugural holders, do you think this would serve as reason to name the team "Beauty & Talent" ?

Sadly I am not aware of anything like this for Velvet and Desiree. Presumably the retaining Velvet would keep her "Beauty" title but I am not sure if Desiree would inherent the "Talent" title from Victoria. Ranze (talk) 14:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "Beauty & Talent" wasn't their team name. They didn't have one. A lot of teams prior to the mid 80's did not have team names. If you notice, you posted 3 different shots of the same exact magazine cover. All it was is a caption for the cover, which plenty of wrestling mags did back in the day. Nothing more than that. OldSkool01 (talk) 12:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)