Talk:WWJ-TV/Archive 1

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Legal ID
I removed a reference to adding the call sign, channel numbers and city of license under the logo "CBS Detroit" in station promotion. This is not a change in the station brand, simply the addition of information required to legally identify the station at the top of the hour.Thomprod 19:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

The Ghoul in Detroit TV
The Ghoul aired in Detroit originally on Kaiser Broadcasting's WKBD (channel 50), being produced by its sister station WKBF also owned by Kaiser in Cleveland, Ohio, from 1971 through 1975. When Kaiser dropped the program, the Ghoul moved to Detroit where his show was produced by and aired over WXON (channel 20). The show moved briefly to WGPR (channel 62) and then back to WXON.Thomprod 19:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

only major affiliate without a news department

 * It is also the largest major-network affiliate (ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC) without a news department. Although WWJ-TV does not produce local news of its own, it still airs national news programming from CBS News...

Um, wait a minute... if the station is owned by the network, it isn't an affiliate. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 00:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality of statements in History/Purchase by CBS section
I question the neutrality of the recently added statements:


 * "Making matters worse, WWJ-TV has had to compete with longtime VHF CBS affiliates WTOL channel 11 in Toledo, Ohio and WLNS channel 6 in Lansing, Michigan. Both stations signals cover the Detroit/Windsor area decently."

I have placed a notice on the editor's talk page here. Thomprod (talk) 16:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Removal of disambiguation
Two links were removed that may have helped readers looking for previous uses of the WWJ callsign here. Unless there is some project guideline that requires it, I think they should be restored. Although there is a link to the disambig page in the edit summary, the casual reader would not know how to find it. --Thomprod (talk) 11:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Someone made a separate page if just WWJ is searched for. TomCat4680 (talk) 15:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I put the hatnote for WWJ (AM) back in, since its a current station it belongs there. TomCat4680 (talk) 15:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The WWJ (disambiguation) page seems unnecessary since half of the list is redlinks. WWJ should go to WWJ (AM) by default with a hatnote to WWJ-TV (and of course vice versa). TomCat4680 (talk) 15:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Adding unreferenced entries of former employees to lists containing BLP material
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New Logo
Can someone replace the blue logo in the info box with the new silver and gold logo the station adopted in September? --108.234.242.106 (talk) 03:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ This is the logo. They still use it... Since they use a shortened logo, it isn't shown on everything, but it is still the logo. Corkythe  hornetfan  (ping me) 04:39, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
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"The Ghoul" did not air on WGPR
"The Ghoul" aired in Detroit first on WKBD and later on WXON, but not on WGPR. Unless someone can cite a source for this assertion, I will remove it from the article.--Thomprod (talk) 19:28, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * @Thomprod, see Kiska 2005 as well as Castelnaro 2006 p221: In 1979, the Ghoul checked into the Jefferson Avenue studios of WGPR, Channel 62, where he aired in prime time on Friday nights. When a change in management occurred at WXON in the beginning of the new decade, Ron Sweed was welcomed back to Channel 20, where he stayed until Ghoul Power declined in the mid-1980s. (As an aside, the article was just rewritten.) Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Local newscasts were "unsuccessful"? Comment
The lede currently states, "The station has made multiple unsuccessful attempts at producing local newscasts in its more than 25 years under CBS ownership." How do you define "unsuccessful"? Although the previous 11pm newscast and the later "First Forecast Mornings" did not last long, suffered from low ratings and were eventually cancelled, both programs were successfully produced and broadcast by the station for several years each.--Thomprod (talk) 19:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * "Unsuccessful" in this case had more to do with a lack of faith by ownership and, believe it or not, ownership turnover. Channel 62 has been under CBS control since 1994 but technically changed owners several times (the original CBS, Inc. —> Westinghouse —> CBS Corp. —> the first Viacom —> CBS Corporation —> ViacomCBS (now Paramount Global). The 11 p.m. attempt with WKBD happened under the first Viacom's watch, and that iteration of Viacom outside of the CBS stations was not into local news production, with KSTW and WTOG also having local news ops shuttered at or around the same time. Plus it marked a strong reversal for Viacom after WKBD's 10 p.m. newscast faltered badly in the ratings post-1994, and yet they still used it to help establish an effort for channel 62.
 * First Forecast Mornings, despite having a very decent run and not that much overhead (borrowing heavily from WWJ radio and the Detroit News) just didn't have the backing of then-management at CBS. Nathan Obral • he/him • t  •  c  • 20:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)