Talk:WYFI

Challenging primary source
On Wikipedia any editor can challenge a primary source. A government database of coordinates is being used in this article, and is both a primary source, and demonstrably incorrect. Furthermore, a user is exerting WP:OWNERSHIP over this article in order to maintain a .0" on coordinates, which is both useless and does not follow guidance on WP:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. Abductive  (reasoning) 01:11, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, I would be that user who you claim is "exerting OWNership" and I can say that I am not. First, I am following the rules set out by WP:RS and WP:NMEDIA.  Second, the FCC's coordinates are NEVER exact.  Never.


 * Usually they are a couple feet off. It actually depends on how off the engineer is when he takes them and submits them to the FCC.  Some are dead on the tower, like they take them from directly on the tower.  Some take them in the parking lot of the tower.  But since this comes from the actual FCC documents, we MUST follow them.  We can not make our own, per WP:OR. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 02:16 on November 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * OSM-provided coordinates are not WP:OR. You are inventing a rule that Wikipedia must be a mouthpiece for the government. Also, there is no difference between 41.0 and 41, leading me to conclude that you are determined to make Wikipedia a Battleground. Abductive  (reasoning) 02:26, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you mean OpenStreetMap by OSM and yes, that would still be OR because it doesn't match with the FCC license that we require per NMEDIA and GNG. Right now, this is moot and I've changed the whole thing to meet with current NAD83 coords, which are now up on the WYFI FCC document page.  Sorry if you think "Wikipedia is a government mouthpiece", we aren't.  But the FCC is our source and we have to follow it, not make up our own because it's "more correct". -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 03:31 on November 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * NMEDIA doesn't say a word about coordinates and cannot override the fact that the primary source has been challenged as erroneous. NMEDIA is a Guideline, CHALLENGE is a Policy. Using OSM, Google, and Bing, what do they say the coordinates are? Hint: right click. Abductive  (reasoning) 06:18, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Is there a proposal to change the current article? What would I right click to see the problem? Johnuniq (talk) 06:46, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You can dial back the snark just a little bit if you want me to take seriously. You still haven't addressed OR, GNG, and RS.  Any United States Federal Government link is considered a HIGHLY reliable source.  So, while you want to challenge it, not many people will get in your corner on this one.  Plus, I can throw about 8 different additional sources beside that coord (be it NAD24 or NAD83) and back it up.  Your "right click" is still original research.  Please, read WP:OR, WP:RS, and WP:GNG. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 22:57 on November 19, 2019 (UTC)