Talk:Wa shogi

Early talk
This is the first time I have ever deleted content from the wiki. I have combined the table of pieces and table of individual piece moves into one table; however I have not included the names of the pieces in hiragana. I have kept a copy of the original table, so if anybody really wants to have it returned, just say so on this talk page and I will include it with a modified version of the piece movement table. JTTyler 00:02, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't see any need for it. You have the kanji and transliteration, so the kana would be redundant. I haven't double checked it, but the article looks good. kwami 01:25, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

piece
Hi, I think the keiyō can move diagonally back also, and the Enyo moves one square orthogonally sideways or diagonally forwards or any number of squares orthogonally forwards or backwards.

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 * The Japanese Wikipedia says the same, I've changed the table to reflect this. Thanks for finding that. JTTyler 69.76.12.163 07:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Ambiguous presentation
As the page is presented, it looks like if the Crane King can promote into Cloud Eagle. Is it the case? I don't think so (according to other sources), but I would like to be sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cazaux (talk • contribs) 20:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Those two are pieces that do not promote. Promoted pieces have a blue background and their names on the diagrams are red.OosakaNoOusama (talk) 05:43, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Historical information?
Is there some information on the history of Wa Shogi available? it is missing in the current article. 134.96.220.130 (talk) 10:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Raiding Falcon
The text says: Range: The raiding falcon can move any number of free squares orthogonally forward, backward or diagonally forward. Step: It can step one square orthogonally sideways.

The drawing seems to indicate: Range: The raiding falcon can move any number of free squares orthogonally forward or backward. Step: It can step one square orthogonally sideways or diagonally forward. I'm not very used to, but I think that the Betza's notation (fbRWfF)agrees with the drawing.

Is the text wrong?Cazaux (talk) 07:05, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Probably. Have not checked Japanese sources (and don't speak the language anyway), but all English web sources have the diagram move. Double sharp (talk) 13:23, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Corrected the text. Double sharp (talk) 13:24, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Japanese WP has the same diagram, and says:
 * 縦に何マスでも動け、横と斜め前に1マス動ける. 飛び越えてはいけない.
 * (moves any number of squares up-and-down; moves one square to the side or diagonally forward. can not jump.)

Though I've found errors on Japanese WP too. — kwami (talk) 18:09, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Tenacious Falcon
The text description does not agree with the diagram. It says: Range: The tenacious falcon can move any number of free squares in the two forward diagonal directions; or, it can move any number of free squares directly forward or backward. Step: It can move one square orthogonally sideways. The diagram shows any number of free square in the FOUR diagonal directions, etc. The diagram in Japanese WP also indicates FOUR diagonal directions. Is the text wrong? ThanksCazaux (talk) 17:56, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yup, it seems to be wrong, especially as English sources appear to give the four-diagonal-directions version as well. Changed. (The Betza notation followed the diagram, and still does: this was because I looked at the diagrams primarily when adding the Betza notation for these articles.) Double sharp (talk) 16:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

When using the kanji names of the pieces to create a set of Wa pieces, I noticed that the first kanji of Tenacious Falcon in Wikipedia is the same as that of Flying Cock. In the TSA description (or Roger Hare's page, http://www.shogi.net/rjhare/wa-shogi/wa-intro.html ) this is not the case: the left part of the kanji looks similar, but the right part is very different. I suspect this is an error in the Wikipedia, but I don't know how to fix it as I cannot type kanji. — Preceding unsigned comment added by H.G.Muller (talk • contribs) 21:44, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the character form shown at http://www.shogi.net/rjhare/wa-shogi/wa-intro.html and elsewhere is not yet encoded in Unicode, so cannot be easily used in the Wikipedia article. BabelStone (talk) 22:07, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I see. But perhaps we should then write a question mark, rather then an incorrect kanji, and devote a footnote to this. In the Japanese Wikipedia they seem to have made a special png image for this ('Chinese character kei 9dc4 529b.png'). We could also copy it from there and use it too. H.G.Muller (talk) 13:53, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I copied in the image. Note that it is a png, so I cannot get it to merge with the blue background or show up in red for promoted pieces as would be possible with text. What has happened here is simply replacement by a synonymous common character, just like 鶴 replacing Shougi kaku.png for the wizard stork in maka dai dai shogi. (There is a note there about this.) Double sharp (talk) 03:10, 5 September 2016 (UTC)