Talk:Waders (footwear)

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Having now done a bit of research, I think my tag was actually too mild; the "filled with water and dragged wearer down" thing looks more and more like a myth. See http://www.sexyloops.com/articles/killerwader.shtml and http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/showthread.php?t=490085 for openers. 216.103.50.52 (talk) 21:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Should Hip boot be merged into Waders (footwear)? The articles appear to overlap. I suggest that both the fashion and the fishing element could be incorporated within one article, or the fashion element within Hip boot could be incorporated into Thigh-high boot – although Hip boot has no references so I'm not sure how much material would be useable. I think Waders (footwear) is a better title. Libby norman (talk) 11:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The current article on hip boots is misleading. The lead in the current article on waders gets it right. Hip boot are occasionally, but not generally referred to as waders. The way the terms are generally used becomes clear by examining the Google images for |%22hip+boots%22&num=100&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMI2qTvmLSKxwIVgdSmCh3-2QHy&biw=1574&bih=893 hip boots and |waders&num=100&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMIqY_Bk7yKxwIVQ9qmCh0w0gn- waders. Hip boots are like extended boots that run up the thighs, typically as far as they can. Waders (often called chest waders) typically extend to the chest, and are more like a cut down boiler suit that doesn't cover the arms and shoulders but has built in water proof socks or boots. There are also waist waders.
 * Here are some references which make it clear that the term "wader" is typically used to discriminate from hip boots: |%22hip+boots%22+wader|waders&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CH4Q6AEwDmoVChMI9N-I7bGKxwIVhjKmCh2aMg61#v=onepage&q=%22hip%20boot%22|%22hip%20boots%22%20wader|waders&f=false |%22hip+boots%22+wader|waders&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CHgQ6AEwDWoVChMI9N-I7bGKxwIVhjKmCh2aMg61#v=onepage&q=%22hip%20boot%22|%22hip%20boots%22%20wader|waders&f=false |%22hip+boots%22+wader|waders&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEEQ6AEwA2oVChMI9N-I7bGKxwIVhjKmCh2aMg61#v=onepage&q=%22hip%20boot%22|%22hip%20boots%22%20wader|waders&f=false |%22hip+boots%22+wader|waders&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CGMQ6AEwCWoVChMI9N-I7bGKxwIVhjKmCh2aMg61#v=onepage&q=%22hip%20boot%22|%22hip%20boots%22%20wader|waders&f=false |%22hip+boots%22+wader|waders&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CJUBEOgBMBJqFQoTCPTfiO2xiscCFYYypgodmjIOtQ#v=onepage&q=%22hip%20boot%22|%22hip%20boots%22%20wader|waders&f=false. I don't agree with merging hip boots into the article on waders. It could perhaps be mentioned in passing that hunting hip boots are occasionally referred to as waders, as are Wellington boots, and I suppose ordinary gumboots. --Epipelagic (talk) 14:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input Epipelagic – I hadn't appreciated the difference from the two articles as they stand, but I know very little about fishing. Perhaps it would be a good idea to get some references, such as those you have helpfully supplied, onto hip boots and then cross reference between articles either in the text or via a See also on each page? Libby norman (talk) 16:30, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

In common parlance, waders is the overarching term that encompasses every configuration from hip boots to chest waders. The merge is logical and I will take the initative to mesh and expand with sources the two topics into Waders (footwear) over the next week. --Mike Cline (talk) 21:48, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


 * But it is more nuanced than that. Perhaps you didn't look at the links above and the common parlance you refer to reflects usage local to areas you habituate. Google usage indicates the term is more on a spectrum than a simple overarching term, with chest and waist waders unambiguously at one end as undisputed waders, Wellington boots and gumboots at the other end as questionable types of wader, and hip boots somewhere in between. Chest and waist waders are often referred to simply as "waders", but hip boots need qualification as "hip waders". |+%22Hip+boots%22&oq=%22Hip+boot%22|+%22Hip+boots%22&gs_l=serp.3...4680.10680.0.11602.9.9.0.0.0.0.245.1604.2-7.7.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..8.1.237.YZcad8S24mQ Hip boot is used far more often more often in Google Books than |+%22Hip+waders%22&oq=%22Hip+wader%22|+%22Hip+waders%22&gs_l=serp.12...518.13826.0.16016.10.10.0.0.0.0.236.1784.2-8.8.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..6.4.908.NGLZKRhtIKI hip wader. In my view Hip boot should remain an article in its own right, but both articles need rewriting. --Epipelagic (talk) 23:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Closing, given that no consensus for the merge and the discussion is stale (more than 2 years since last discussion). Klbrain (talk) 17:05, 12 November 2017 (UTC)