Talk:Waffen-SS foreign volunteers and conscripts

Exemption for those conscripted after 1943
"Waffen-SS conscripts sworn in after 1943 were exempted from the judgement owing to their conscription." This seems like an important sentence, but is very vague. Does it apply everywhere? or only certain countries? Is there a SPECIFIC DATE involved? Does "after 1943" mean beginning in January, 1944. Is there a reference?

Serbian volunteers
Hi @Obenritter I cannot find the content supporting the participation of Serbian volunteers within the Prinz Eugen Division, All I could find on the source provided (Gilbert 242-243) was: On October 1942 the division … was 92 percent Volksdeutsche, the remaining percentage coming from Reich Germans occupying senior or technical positions maybe you meant a different page or I could also have a different edition! would you mind double checking? thank you Aeengath (talk) 13:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually, they were ethnic Germans living in Serbia that helped form the Prinz Eugen Division. So Serbian is misleading if not a misnomer in this case if one is thinking in terms of ethnicity. However, they would have still be counted among Serbians, as it stands, geographically speaking. Actually, many of the Waffen-SS volunteers were ethnically German but of varying nationalities. This raises the question, do such persons constitute Serbians? If we're thinking along racial lines like the Nazis would have...perhaps not, but in a modern context, people of varying ethnicity stemming from Canada but fighting abroad would be labeled Canadians, right? So what you are trying to say is that because these volunteers are of German ancestry, they're not from Serbia? Maybe this whole article should be scrapped if we're using their genetic lineage as indicators of nationality. Thoughts? --Obenritter (talk) 20:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Obenritter It is indeed a misnomer as they were Volksdeutsche from Serbia, they also came from Croatia, Hungary, and Romania. The multi-ethnic composition of Yugoslavia adds another layer of complexity to the discussion but according to the Yugoslav census of 1931, some 21.64 percent of the Bačka's population and 20.58 percent of the Western Banat's population were "German".
 * I agree with you that in a modern context, individuals fighting abroad would be labeled based on their nationality, but the motives behind joining the Waffen-SS, are more complex due to the ideological and ethnic motivations behind volunteering. Aeengath (talk) 11:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC) edited Aeengath (talk) 12:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed their motivations were very different, but I think the point is that these people were technically Serbian from a geopolitical perspective, which is why the authors imply there were "Serbian" persons serving this way. Do we then delete the Serbian Waffen-SS units from this list due them being Volksdeutsche, as I see no other way to reconcile this matter. We either accept them as people stemming from their more recent geographical home or we do not. Anyone else have any input here? --Obenritter (talk) 15:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The majority of foreign Waffen-SS divisions consisted of individuals without recognised states (Belarusians, Ukrainians, Latvians, Estonians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Tatars, Cossacks, etc.) It is unclear which countries or regions this subsection is referring to, from what period and why it includes Caucasian and Turkic peoples. A clearer presentation could involve a list similar to Waffen-SS divisions by number. Volksdeutsche can be listed according to their region of origin, as this seems to be the common practice in most sources. Aeengath (talk) 05:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to improve the Foreign Waffen-SS units section
Following the previous conversation with @Obenritter I suggest converting the section Foreign Waffen-SS units recruited by Nazi Germany into a list/table format, as shown below. I believe this change would improve clarity and conciseness in that section of the article while also addressing inaccuracies. Aeengath (talk) 16:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Foreign Waffen-SS formations and foreign units under SS control
@Obenritter; @ Kierzek; @ Brigade Piron list proposal and new name for foreign units section

Ukraine
So, did Ukraine exist during the World War II or not? Ukraine appeared after the World War II as Ukrainian SSR and a member of the United Nations. How exactly the members of the Waffen-SS Galizien were calculated, based on their passports of the Soviet Union and/or Poland or by "say so" calculations from third party? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 01:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * When someone like to criminalize a certain nation, they are very fast to find the country, but when try to recognize the nation actual existence, they are being weird about it. Where is the consistency? The list states "conscripts by country"... How is the list consistent with the actual political situation of that time? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:04, 20 June 2024 (UTC)