Talk:Wales national football team home stadium/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 21:01, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the ✅ tag to state when something is addressed.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

 * It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
 * It contains copyright infringements -
 * It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include,, or large numbers of , , or similar tags. (See also ). -
 * It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

Lede

 * making the venue the world's oldest international football ground still in use - This is a problem I also have with "thus". The first part of the sentence doesn't suggest the second, but it's written as if it does. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC) - Reworded
 * Although crowds were initially high, a gradual drop in attendances saw the team play matches in several newly built grounds - might need to make it clear this was initially at the Millenium stadium. I read this as if it meant that crowds had dwindled over the last 150 years. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC) - Reworded
 * Three home fixtures have been held outside Wales, all of which were played at Anfield in Liverpool. - what about the game in Shrewsbury? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC) - Fixed
 * Watch out for the duplink on Shrewsbury Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:51, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Removed. Kosack (talk) 13:50, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The total is twelve more than the second most frequently used ground, Ninian Park which was demolished in 2009. - is the number important? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I only included it to give a rough idea of the sort of total the Racecourse had held during its lifespan. If you feel it should go, let me know. Kosack (talk) 12:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I just feel like an exact number is weird. Although, as both aren't being used, I suppose this isn't an ever changing number it's fine. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:20, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

General

 * On a quick first pass (on mobile) the table is broken on mobile. It shows the column headers, then the sources below it, and the rest of the table with weirdly spaced rows and columns below it. Might be worth a fix. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:07, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a bit odd as it displays fine on my mobile. Do you know what's causing the issue for you? Kosack (talk) 12:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm doing some investigations now. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:19, 1 October 2019 (UTC)


 * the fixture was reversed - a "reverse fixture" borders on jargon. Might need to be explained on first usage. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:27, 1 October 2019 (UTC) - Expanded
 * As a result, the Racecourse Ground is officially recognised as the oldest football ground in the world that continues to host international matches by Guinness World Records, ahead of Hampden Park in Glasgow which did not host its first match for another 27 years,[5][6] and has hosted more Welsh international matches than any other ground. - very long. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:27, 1 October 2019 (UTC) - Split
 * The Racecourse remained the only ground to host a Wales international fixture until 1890 - this isn't true. We literally mentioned they have already played in Scotland. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:27, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Should of been home international. Fixed. Kosack (talk) 08:41, 1 October 2019 (UTC)


 * first victory on home ground - this feels like it's missing a word. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:27, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Does it? I'm not sure what could be missing? Kosack (talk) 08:41, 1 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The match against England, which ended in a goalless draw, attracted a record crowd for Wales of around 10,000. - probably needs a cite. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 07:27, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Wales' meeting with England in 1906 was held at The Arms Park and attracted a record crowd of around 20,000 as Wales were defeated 1–0. - and here. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:27, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Both portions of text above are sourced to the ref that immediately follows. I can add a repeat link if you think it's necessary but it seems odd to be repeating a ref in the same paragraph when there's no break in where the information is coming from. Kosack (talk) 08:41, 1 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Could we get all of the images on the right hand side? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Forgive me for asking, but is there a reason why? I'm not aware of any requirement for them to be right aligned and I think the change of text level provides a variant in the long text, thoughts? Kosack (talk) 17:13, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The paragraph starting "The replacement for The National Stadium, " is very long, could do with a split.Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC) - Split
 * Could we re-order the venues table, or at least change the colours a little? The scope-row could fit for the number of matches too... Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm a little confused by this one, what do you mean by re-ordering? The table is listed by the amount of matches hosted. Also, we don't really use other colours in tables without reason I believe. Changing the scope rows to the matches also makes them align left which looks rather odd. Kosack (talk) 17:13, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Short description should be changed. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC) - Added
 * Everything else looks good. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Notes & References

 * Some works and publishers are linked but others aren't... Is this intentional? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:11, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * A few were left over from previous editors, removed now. Kosack (talk) 12:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The Rec.Sport.Soccer - are these dots part of the name? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:11, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes it appears so, the website does use the dots. Kosack (talk) 12:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * What a terrible name. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

Comments

 * Automated note - If you fancy returning the favour, I have outstanding GA nominations that require reviewing at WP:GAN. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these, however it's definately not manditory. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)

Overall comments
All looks good here then. I'll pass this one. I did have a couple of things above, but looking at them again, I think it's personal preference. I don't think colours in a table, nor image placement are covered by MOS. Good job.