Talk:Walhalla (memorial)

Category:Walhalla enshrinee
I suggest a Category like the Halls of fame for the articles about the "inmates" of the Walhalla. Any ideas? --Matthead 00:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've started a category. Please add "" to the biographies you happen to edit. --Matthead 02:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Aside from the barbarism of enshrinee, the list appended to this article is perfectly sufficient without cluttering Wikipedia with another "category", which adds no information. --Wetman 06:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, is "enshrinee" an English word? Johnbod 04:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

No habla ingles, folks, that's why I have added "en-0 This user does not understand English (or understands it with considerable difficulty)" to my user page. To my defence, Google has counted about 163,000 for +"enshrinee", and four times as many for "inductee" (and probably quite a lot for "member"). Wiktionary does not know "enshrinee", but there's inductee. And, according to Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary:
 * Main Entry: en·shri·nee
 * Pronunciation:   \in-ˈshrī-nē, -ˌshrī-ˈnē, en-\
 * Function:   noun
 * Date:   1968
 * a person inducted into a Hall of Fame

The most convincing examples, though, are available from the NFL: 13 Pro Football Hall of Fame Enshrinee Banners ($49.99 each). -- Matthead Discuß   23:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

EINSTEIN The great German physicist Albert Einstein is included. Curious that some racist Israelis want to deny Einstein his German soul.--81.35.237.47 (talk) 05:33, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * it's "of the German tongue" so it has nothing to do with anything like nationality/ethnicity/religion/race... but only if you are a native speaker of the German language (or one of it's many past and existing dialects/sociolects/veriants...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.3.76.108 (talk) 18:11, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Quotes
I think some quotes of Ludwig I. should be mentioned in the article, f. e. this one: "Möchte Walhalla förderlich sein der Erstarkung und der Vermehrung deutschen Sinnes! Möchten alle Deutschen, welchen Stammes sie auch seien, immer fühlen, dass sie gemeinsames Vaterland haben. Und jeder trage bei, soviel er vermag, zu dessen Verherrlichung!" This shows Ludwig's patriotic way of thinking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.145.168.41 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 3 June 2007
 * I've taken a picture of that "Worte König Ludwig I." quote on a piece of marble outside the Walhalla. Translation by Helen Stellner and David Hiley in the Official guide (2002, p. 9): "May Walhalla prove conducive to the strengthening of the German mind! May all Germans, of all descent, always feel that they have a common Fatherland, a Fatherland to be proud of, and may all Germans contribute as much as he or she can to its glorification!" -- Matthead Discuß   23:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The Brahms mystery
how come Brahms hasn't been commemorated with a bust, only with a plaque?

there are plenty of his portraits lying around in archives to carve a bust from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.142.96.14 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 15 June 2006


 * Yes, I had noticed that too, and had changed the text without further inquiry, guessing they had no money or time. Turns out it was simply an error, Brahms was introduced in 2000 with a bust, of course. --Matthead 21:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

English
What about post-Norman conquest English? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctor Hesselius (talk • contribs) 20:53, 11 December 2006 (edit)


 * Cœur de Lion and similar persons spoke hardly German(ic) anymore.-- Matthead Discuß   23:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Additions during Third Reich
The article is silent on whether any additions made during the 12 years of Nazi rule were removed after 1945. I can't imagine Hitler or his cronies being left out of such a prestigious gallery. --Iacobus 23:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)--

Only people who have been dead at least 20 years can get a bust in the Walhalla. Hitler died in 1945, so.... --89.60.227.119 18:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Only the bust of Anton Bruckner was added during the Nazi rule. 81.217.10.220 08:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Why is Adolf Hitler's bust not included in the Walhalla Temple?
In honor of his quick rise to lead Germany's politics should he be noted as an leader of the German Working Party. But still this ignored by the Walhalla Administration Committee. 81.167.229.130 (talk) 07:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The Walhalla...honors laudable ... politicians, sovereigns, scientists and artists of the German tongue
 * You may say a lot about Hitler but not that he's laudable —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.5.184.66 (talk) 12:16, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I strongly suspect the original question was simply trolling, but I'd still like to try a straight answer:
 * In case you didn't know: Anything which might be seen as or used for glorifying the Third Reich is prohibited by German law. Exceptions only for valid reasons of historical research, and exhibitions under controlled conditions. A bust of Hitler in recent Germany is practically unthinkable – let alone in a place of honor in public. I think I've only ever seen one, in the Museum of Military History, Vienna in the section about the "darkest years" of Austrian History.
 * Walhalla today is administered by the "Department for Castles" of the Bavarian State, and German state doctrine says Nazis were criminals who should not be awarded any public honors. It's as simple as that. I'm pretty sure no one ever considered to seriously try to officially have a Hitler bust put in the Walhalla after 1945.
 * --BjKa (talk) 13:39, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * HE IS IN THE REAL WALHALLA 2600:1700:CC70:A750:A978:43CB:E625:23D7 (talk) 19:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move
Walhalla temple → Walhalla memorial – The Walhalla is simply not a temple, it's a memorial. Teppese (talk) 23:28, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. No objections after 7 days. Station1 (talk) 06:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

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Maria Theresia
Mentioned at #64 as well as at #127. German article has Schelling at #64. Corrected accordingly. --BjKa (talk) 12:38, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well it seems I can't correct this, because the list is chronologic... Maybe M.T. really was at #64 at some time. Since the list obviously does not reflect the current state of placements, the duplicate at #127 might be removed from it. Anyways I've added Schelling at the place for an 1860 addition. --BjKa (talk) 12:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

On Copernicus's nationality in particular, and the List of people section in general
Someone added "German" to Copernicus's listing here, so might as well start a talk page before any kind of edit war.

The matter of Copernicus's nationality is clearly a sticky wicket, but also one already discussed at length in the relevant Talk page(s). A matter particular to Walhalla, however, is that this place's authorities at the time clearly thought Copernicus was German—otherwise, why put him there?

This leads easily into my second point. If everyone in the Walhalla memorial is (or perhaps presumed to be) German, why is the format for most of the entries in the list "German/Dutch/Swiss (occupation)"? Isn't this a bit repetitive in this case?

With this, I propose rewording every entry so the individual's achievement is emphasized: for example, number 37, Johannes von Reuchlin, would go from "German philosopher and humanist" to "advocate for the study of Hebrew and Greek"; and number 52, Nicolaus Copernicus, would get "creator of the first non-speculative heliocentric model". In the few cases where this is inappropriate, they should just follow the example of number 40 (Albrecht Dürer) and avoid mentioning nationality because, to reiterate, Walhalla's original concept has already assumed this for us. Yo.dazo (talk) 14:06, 15 July 2023 (UTC)