Talk:Walt Disney Classics/Archive 3

Archive of discussions that ended on or before October 3, 2006 Canadiana 23:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The so called "False Information" is REALLY TRUE!!!!!
Now listen to me, for just 1 minute, I know "The Sword in the Stone" was released in 1984 because the last time it was released in theaters was 1983 & every video comes out on video the following year after its last re-release in theaters. & another thing, "The Sword in the Stone" does not have a preview on it you f***in' gay faguettes. I saw that 1 before & I did not see any previews on it, but maybe some the 1's I've never seen before in my life, "Alice in Wonderland", "Sleeping Beauty" &/or "Lady & the Tramp" have promos on them. In case you're wondering, if you go to the website, http://members.fortunecity.com/disneyblackdiamond/littlemermaid.htm, you might see something you least expect about "The Little Mermaid". I don't change the dates on "Pinocchio" & "Aladdin", I knew (& they) that they were already released on video, those particullar dates. I don't change the the European Date for "Lady & the Tramp", it was there all along. I had to change the dates of "Dumbo", "Robin Hood", "The Sword in the Stone" & "The Rescuers Down Under" 'cause you guys were too gay to know that. I'm the master of Disney & know everything about Disney. So get that through your f***in' heads you f***in' jacka**es!!!!! Skymac207 22:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Video release year after theatrical

 * I think we could do without the swearing, even if it is half covered by "***". You may think The Sword in the Stone should have been released in 1984, but that is not what actually happened. Every video may come out now the year after its last release in theaters, but that was certainly not the case in the early to mid 1980s. Canadiana 06:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * About that case that was certainly not the case in the early to mid 1980's, Pinocchio's 2nd to last release in theaters was 1984 & they released on video, 1985. Skymac207 18:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC).


 * It is true that Pinocchio was released the year after its theatrical release, but it wasn't originally planned that way, and there certainly was no rule saying that every theatrical release was followed by a video release in the following year. Canadiana 18:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah? Well, when were they going to release Pinocchio? Skymac207 22:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * They had no idea at the time if they would ever release Pinocchio, but a Disney spokesperson was quoted at the time when they released Robin Hood that he thought they might release Sword in the Stone next. By the next year, they decided to try releasing Pinocchio, presumably as an experiment to see what would happen. In the next few years, they re-released several classics to theatres, followed by video releases of entirely different titles. Canadiana 03:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * So that's how I thought "The Sword in the Stone" was released in 1984. They were thinking about releasing Sword in 1984, but then they thought about releasing "Pinocchio" the next year. But after Lady & the Tramp's last re-release in theaters 1986, it went to video 1987. Sleeping Beauty's last re-release in theaters was March 1986 & that went to video October 1986. Skymac207 22:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Preview on Sword in the Stone

 * I watched my copy of The Sword in the Stone yesterday, and I can assure you that it has a preview of The Journey of Natty Gann, just as the copy that someone else mentioned has. Canadiana 06:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * But, "The Journey of Natty Gann" isn't part of the classics collection.Skymac207 20:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Of course it's not part of the classics collection, but so what? "The Sword in the Stone" is a Disney tape and "The Journey of Natty Gann" was Disney's top film that year and they wanted to promote it, so they did. (Presumably when those tapes were duplicated they were promoting the movie in theaters.) Canadiana 14:30, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, drats! You're right, Canadiana, "The Sword in The Stone" did have that preview as part of the tape! I saw some message boards about how some people have copies with no preview & how some people have copies with the preview. I must've gotton the version with no preview! So, tell me, was this preview at the beginning or the ending of the tape? Skymac207 21:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The preview is at the beginning of the tape. Canadiana 18:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Was there a "Coming Soon to Theaters" bumper? Skymac207 19:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No, no bumper at all. At the time, it seems that they didn't realize how confusing that would be to people and how annoying to video store workers like me who had to contantly tell people that it wasn't available on video yet. Canadiana 03:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Did the 1986 edition of Alice in Wonderland ever have any previews? Skymac207 17:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

FBI warning screens

 * Why, why, are you saying that green FBI screens were 1992? I have 1991 relesse of Robin Hood and it uses green FBI screens. The screens came out in 1991 you know why. Because the 1991 reprint of You Can Fly sing-along video had green FBI screens instead of Red!

The only videos in 1991 to have green FBI screens were Robin Hood, The Rescuers Down Under, Dumbo, Fantasia, and Sword in the stone. You know why not The Jungle Book or Alice in Wonderland, because those movie relessed May 1991 before Robin Hood's July 1991 relesse.


 * The 1995 reprint of Disney Sing Along Song: You Can Fly! has the green FBI screens, NOT THE 1991 REPRINT YOU F***IN' DUMBA**! Skymac207 20:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Green FBI screens is on 1991 re-print of You Can Fly. You can find that out on the disney sing along page of wikipedia see for your self!


 * I saw that & they're are 3 things wrong with what you said. 1. I think what they meant was that they talking about the 1995 re-print, about having the green FBI logos. 2. The 1991 re-print has the old style tape lables, so it's got to have the red & white FBI screen & orange "Licened for Private Home" screen. & 3. According to Ebay, the so called "1995 re-print" was actually re-printed in 1993. Skymac207


 * It's true that the green fbi screens were 1991 not false.


 * No it dosen't you f***in' bastard! Skymac207 20:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Watch your language, Wikipedia users don't take friendly to that. Imax80 01:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Listen Carefully some prints of Robin Hood, The Rescuers Down Under, Fantsia, Dumbo, and Sword in the stone have green FBI screens and the others prints have orange-red ones.


 * I don't believe such noncence! I've always seen them in the red & white FBI screen & orange "Licened for Private Home" screen! I believe it's 1992, when the green FBI warnings came, I was born before they were, so stick with it!!!!! Skymac207


 * I am with Skymac on this one, the Green FBI screens were introduced on 101 Dalmatians and 1992 tape-masters of Robin Hood and Rescuers Down Under, so the Green FBI screens were early 1992 and not 1991, and it is not on Jungle Book or Fantasia or whatever. Imax80 22:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't belive it your saying 1992 re-print of Robin Hood was 1992 and I have proof of getting my Robin Hood print in 1991 with green fbi screens. AND GREEN FBI SCREENS WERE 1991 END OF STORY! And I remember seeing Fantasia with green fbi screens and 1992 FP screen at my friends house! Like I said My Parents got my older brother the 1991 relesse of Robin Hood in 1991 with Green FBI screens.


 * Well, you remembered wrong! It never had the green FBI logos or 1992 FP logo & neither did Rescuers Down Under! They've always had the red & white FBI warning & orange "Licened for Private Home" logo! So, stick with it, stupid!!!!! Skymac207 22:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That's not right, you said you're older brother was 2 months old when he got in allegedly in 1991. Why would Disney use the FBI screens on one tape in 1991? It doesn't seem right because Disney is highly intellegent, and Fantasia did not have a 1992 FP screen because it went out of print in December 1991. And dude, loose the agressiveness, no need for that.

I know why they used green fbi screens on one tape in 1991. Because I think it was a video editing error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.156.140 (talk • contribs) 17:42, October 1, 2006 (UTC)

Does Some prints of The Rescuers Down Under have 1992 FP screen? If it dosn't than I guess 101 Dalmatians was there first one to have 1992 FP screen.


 * Yes, 101 Dalmatians was the 1st 1 to have the 1992 FP screen. No version of Rescuers Down Under &/or Fantasia I've ever seen has the green FBI logos &/or the 1992 FP screen & they never had. I've always seen them with the red & white FBI warning & orange "Licened for Private Home" logo, they always had been & I'm sticking to it! Skymac207 22:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

If Fantasia went out of print in December 1991 does that mean there were later versions with green FBI screens?


 * No! They ain't any other later versions of the green FBI logos. Skymac207 22:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

And as far as I can remember back in the early '90s, my mom was working in a video factory and was testing each tape, and I visited there a lot. In 1991, I remember testing the Robin Hood tapes with the red FBI screens, by early 1992, they had the green FBI screens. And I remember that because I videotaped me and mom at that place, I also remember testing tape masters of Lady and the Tramp and Bambi and others. --Imax80 23:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I have 1991 relesse of The Rescuers Down Under with Green FBI screens and 1992 FP screen! It's not right that it has 1992 FP. And it was sapost to show 1991 FP screen not 1992 FP screen.

Actually Robin Hood came out in 1991 with two versions. First version with green FBI screens and proto-type classics logo, The other version with red FBI screens, 1987 walt disney home logo, two previews, Feature Presentation screen, A first for Disney Videos, and no, not the blue one and the white cursive writting, and then regular cut-short version of 1988 classics logo. To find more information about that go to the Robin Hood Talk page. To find that page first you have to click on the walt disney classics logo than you find Talk:1973 film Robin Hood.


 * Version 1 was actually version 2 in 1992, I remember when it was shipped. Imax80 22:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

That dosn't make sense! You know how I said I saw green FBI screens and 1992 FP screen on Fantasia. Well I don't have that version. I saw that version at my friend's house along time ago.


 * Along time ago, indeed! You expect to believe that? Ha! I don't believe jack squad, either! Skymac207 23:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.217.180 (talk • contribs)


 * What I meant was that I don't believe it! I don't believe in jack squad, either! Skymac207

Well I do! Hey I think I heard of Green FBI screens were relesesd in US: 1991, UK: 1993, AND JAPAN: 1995! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.112.57 (talk • contribs)


 * 1. What is "jack squad"? Do you mean "jack squat" (which doesn't make sense, but sounds similar)? 2. Sources have to be much more reliable than "something you think you heard." &mdash;tregoweth (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's from the "Late Night show with David Litterman" on CBS. The host has his dummy, who says, "You know nothing. You don't know JACK SQUAD! Skymac207

What are you talking about Jack Squad? Green FBI screens came out in 1991. And I will tell you why it came out in 1991. 1. When my brother was 3 months old my parents got him Robin Hood print in 1991, with green FBI screens, No Previews and Proto-type Classics logo. 2. One day I went to my friends house to watch Fantasia. It was a 1991 relesse. It had Green FBI screens, Previews, 1992 FP screen, and 1989 regular classics logo. So green FBI screens were 1991, so stick with it!


 * Sure it did! Read comment above yours & you'll understand better. Skymac207 19:00, 22 September 2006

What are you talking about?

The Late Night show with David Litterman. There's this part in the show, where's he's talking to his dummy, who says 2+2=4 & David Litterman says, "You don't know nothing! You don't know JACK SQUAD!" it's so wicked funny! I've never seen before, but I gotta sometime. Skymac207 20:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * WAIT A MINUTE EVERYBODY!!! I DO have a copy of "Robin Hood" with the green FBI warnings! It's all true! It then has no previews and the prototype 1988 Classics logo! --71.192.122.49 03:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey who said that? And what is your name? And I have that Robin Hood print.

I bet the only reason Wilee2005 uploaded his version of Robin Hood on Youtube is that he took the prototype version from "Cinderella" & took the 1st part of the film from some print from some other year! Mr.Wheeler 18:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Print date stickers
On some of my older videos, there is a small sticker on the top of the tape that says "VCA" on it with the print date next to it. What's VCA? I'll look it up. Imaxination 80 --Imax80 12:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, could be date of sale, maybe put on sale by a shop called VCA. --The Track Master 15:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I think VCA might have been a video selling committee at the time. Imaxination 80 --Imax80 16:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe. --The Track Master 21:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * If I remember right, VCA (which may stand for Video Corporation of America) was a company providing duplication and packaging services for several major studios. Canadiana 06:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Promotional neon signs for the series
When the series was out in America, there were promotional neon signs above the shelf the videos were on in the Disney Stores. Anyone ever see this, because I did, the first one I saw was unplugged, the other was plugged in. Maybe we could add that info tot eh article.

Interesting isn't it? Imaxination 80 --Imax80 16:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

No, really, it is. --The Track Master 21:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * We had one of those promo signs in our store (plastic with fluorescent tubes inside, not real neon), but after it fell off the wall a few times, it was really wrecked so I think it got thrown out in the end. Canadiana 06:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Very early release dates
Where can we find the original 1984 release of Dumbo (Classics version, not WDHV version), the exact date? Imax80 00:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm really not sure there is an "original 1984 release" of Dumbo. Dumbo was originally released in the fall of 1981 and this release was "rental only".  In those days, no-one advertised exact release dates.  Movies sometimes seemed to arrive at wholesalers without anyone knowing they were even coming. The Walt Disney Home Entertainment article claims that Dumbo was available for sale in 1982.  I know it was definitely available for sale by October 1982.  By the spring of 1985, Dumbo was still $84.95, and even though Robin Hood was featured prominently in the Spring 1985 mini-catalogue at $79.95 (complete with a "The Classics" logo), Dumbo was not featured at all, just listed along with all of the other Disney movies available at that time. (Alice in Wonderland was not a current videocassette title in Spring 1985, although it had been available previously).


 * Dumbo, Robin Hood, and Pinocchio, Mary Poppins and Old Yeller were all re-released at $29.95 in time for Christmas 1985, and I think this may have been the first time Dumbo was repackaged in the black clamshell. Do you have evidence that says otherwise? Canadiana 04:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, the Christmas 1985 Dumbo you are talking about was the white clamshell introduction with the slip of paper, which was a less expensive way to make videos. The Classics edition would've originally hit stores in 1984 unpublicized because it was their foray into the new lineup. Robin Hood is another story, because it was Dec 6, 1984, and it would be odd if Disney put that 1973 film as the first Classics release, because Robin Hood was a contemporary film at the time being.

Maybe Dumbo wasn't featured in the mini-catalogue because Robin Hood was the big thing, other than Dumbo perhaps. Now in Christmas 1985, the 4 releases were less-expensive white clamshells because making padded clamshells was expensive, and the lower price strategy seemed to work. The last video to be packaged in a padded clamshell was The Sword in the Stone.

Or maybe Dumbo's video premiere in the Classics slot was holiday 1985, and redone in early 1986 with the white slide-in clamshell (the version I have) because the label does not say Copyright Walt Disney Productions, but yet The Walt Disney Company. But still, why would Robin Hood be the first Classics release? It wasn't a classic back then in 1984.


 * It USED to have a "Walt Disney Productions" copyright. In late 1985 or early 1986 they redid the copyright so it would read "The Walt Disney Company." And yes, Dumbo WAS the first Classics video in 1984, it's also noted on IMDB.com . --Wile e2005 03:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Does your print say that? I submitted that info to IMDb in 2005, and no I am totally not lying at all. Imax80 05:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No, but I saw it on eBay --Wile e2005 19:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I need the black clamshell version because I have the white clamshell with the 1985-86 label.

This is a mystery we have to solve. The only way to solve it is this.. I am going to the Grand Floridian in WDW in April, and I can ask one of the tour guides (since they know a lot about Disney) when Dumbo hit the Classics line. But until then, we'll have to keep researching. Imax80 04:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Regarding Imax80's comments above: When have Disney ever released anything "unpublicized"? Disney did kick off The Classics line with Robin Hood and it made perfect sense at the time. You'll understand why when I have time to write some more of the article. (I can't remember if Dumbo was repackaged in 1984.  I know that when it was, the wholesaler we dealt with had to sell their existing stock of the earlier cover before they ordered anny new ones, and if the new cover came out at $84.95, the old ones wouldn't have been selling anyway.)


 * Good luck at the Grand Floridian. I'll be surprised if the tour guides know the answer, but I've been surprised before.  Actually, information you get from a tour guide is considered original research by Wikipedia and is not really allowed, because it is not verifiable.  Nobody can ever check it to see if it is true.  (They don't know who the tour guide is, where to find him or her, etc.)  That being said, I think original research about simple facts (but not opinions) is better than pure speculation. Canadiana 06:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I have the initial 1981 video release of Dumbo, and the print date sticker on the side reads "11/28/83" and this may be one of the last copies made. Dumbo hits the stores again sometime in 1984 because the 1985 copy of Pinocchio doesn't have a diamond on the side of, yet the 1986 Sword in the Stone print has it. And the Classics cover of Dumbo being $84.95? That definately had to be first because Robin Hood and Pinocchio were $79.95 when initially sold. When Disney made their foray into video marketing, their cassettes were really high-priced, and a 1983 print of Tron says $99.95 on it (it was on eBay). If the Dumbo cassette in the Classics line lowered the price to about $84.95, that has to be the Classics debut, because Dumbo is more of a classic than Robin Hood, and yet more popular. I saw a 1985 video ad for Walt Disney Home Video with the same Dumbo cover artwork on it, and it said,"Buy one cassette for $29.99 and get one free." This could've been when Disney was experimenting with the slips of paper in the white clamshells rather than padding them in like they did the past. Also, the early Dumbo release possibly went out of print sometime in 1984, when the new one might've hit stores. So my conclusion is that Dumbo could've hit around the fall season when Robin Hood went in the slot. Imax80 20:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You said "the 1985 copy of Pinocchio doesn't have a diamond on the side of, yet the 1986 Sword in the Stone print has it". I don't know what you mean or what this has to do with Dumbo.


 * Dumbo was originally released at $84.95 in 1982 (sometime before September). It was still at that price in Spring 1985, though it may have been temporarily at a special sale price at some point during this time.  The price was reduced to $29.95 from December 1, 1985 to January 1, 1986. Dumbo was not originally listed as one of Disney's 15 animated classics. Disney's original Classics list contained only titles like Robin Hood which had never been shown on TV.  All I can tell you about Tron is that it was listed at $84.95 in the Spring 1985 Mini Catalog (and was among 21 titles put on sale at $29.95 for Christmas 1985).  You'll have to wait till I have time to write up the whole explanation. Canadiana 16:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What I meant by your first question is that Dumbo and Robin Hood had the diamond on the spine, but Pinocchio did not.

And Dumbo was not listed in the lineup because of the controversy over the African-American crows, because Dumbo was on TV a the time. And one more question, I am curious is to why I have to wait for your replies, do you run a home video market or something? Imax80 18:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I do have other things to do in life besides writing in Wikipedia, also my Internet connection is not working all the time recently. I'm not currently running a video store, although I did in the past. Canadiana 02:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Need more release dates
We need

both Dumbo releases

Alice in Wonderland 1991

Sword in the Stone 1991

That is all Imax80 18:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Consider the following two newspaper clippings, which should help with the dates:


 * {| style="background:silver"

by Martie Zad (Washington Post), 27 September 1989, The San Francisco Chronicle, p. E2
 * 'Bambi' Cassette Out Tomorrow
 * 'Bambi' Cassette Out Tomorrow
 * The classic wine in the Walt Disney vault, "Bambi," will be served up tomorrow ...
 * The classic wine in the Walt Disney vault, "Bambi," will be served up tomorrow ...

... except for the six full-length films that accompany "Bambi," which are listed at $26.99. They are a re-release of "Bedknobs and Broomsticks"; newly packaged "Dumbo" and "Sword in the Stone"; "Mary Poppins," celebrating its 25th anniversary; "Alice in Wonderland"; and "Three Caballeros."
 * }


 * A December 25 release date, which Skymac207 keeps putting into the article, would just be stupid marketing. First of all, no courier I know of is going to deliver anything on December 25 &mdash; they all take that day off.  Secondly, releasing a movie that would make a good Christmas present on December 25 would prevent anyone from buying it as a Christmas gift.  Disney is not that stupid when it comes to marketing.  Skymac207, where on earth are you getting that date?


 * I thought they re-released on that day for a 28th anniversary edition. Skymac207 19:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * {| style="background:silver"

by Yardena Arar, 1 November 1991, Los Angeles Daily News, Valley Edition, p. L13
 * DISNEY FEATURES ARE RELEASED AS VIDEOS FOR LIMITED PERIODS
 * DISNEY FEATURES ARE RELEASED AS VIDEOS FOR LIMITED PERIODS
 * Of Disney's 29 fully animated features, only 15 have been released on video. Only four of those - "Alice in Wonderland," "Dumbo," "The Sword in the Stone" and "The Three Caballeros" - are always available.
 * Of Disney's 29 fully animated features, only 15 have been released on video. Only four of those - "Alice in Wonderland," "Dumbo," "The Sword in the Stone" and "The Three Caballeros" - are always available.

The others are or have been made available for limited periods and then have had a moratorium placed on them, meaning they can no longer be ordered from Disney.

Current releases in this category include "Fantasia," which goes on sale today; "The Jungle Book," which came out in May; "The Rescuers Down Under," released in September; and "Robin Hood," released for a third time in July.

...

"Robin Hood" is the only title ever to have been released three times ...
 * }


 * In case you're wondering, the second release of Robin Hood was when it was repriced to $29.95 (December 1, 1985). Canadiana 04:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * One more clipping that may be relevant:


 * {| style="background:silver"

by Bruce Westbrook, 1 July 1988, Houston Chronicle, 2 Star Edition, p. 6
 * 'Cinderella' set for fall video release
 * 'Cinderella' set for fall video release
 * ... Previously, Disney has released seven of its animated features on video: "Pinocchio," "Robin Hood," "Sleeping Beauty," "Lady and the Tramp," "Dumbo," "The Sword in the Stone" and "Alice in Wonderland." All have been withdrawn from the market, but the latter three will return Oct. 4 at $29.95.
 * }
 * Canadiana 05:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Canadiana 05:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I am a bit confused, do you remember when Sword, Dumbo, and Alice were all repackaged in their newer covers? Dumbo and Alice seem obvious for 1991 because of their anniversaries, but Sword? I first thought it was 1990. Do you remember when these all hit stores or see them in any catalogues? Imax80 20:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Disney has released several DVDs and videocassettes on anniversaries lately, but that is a recent thing. They didn't generally do that in the 1980s or early 1990s.


 * Here, briefly is what I know about Alice in Wonderland: It was first released for sale in November 1982 at $84.95 (036-1). The following summer it went on sale at a reduced price ($49.95? $39.95? I don't know) in a summer promotion that lasted until August 15, 1983.  After that the price may have gone back to normal, but I think it was actually discontinued.  You may wonder why there would be a 1984 poster featuring a title that was no longer available, but it was still available on both disc formats and dealers who stocked up during the summer promotion may have still had some in stock. It was not listed on tape in either the 1984 mini catalog (copyright 1983) or the Spring 1985 mini catalog.


 * In late May 1986 it was re-released at $29.95 in a promotion that was extended to the end of December. All of the summer specials were packaged in cardboard slipsleeves.  The cardboard sleeve for Alice is 036-2.  Six classics were on sale starting October 13, 1986, and box set of all 6 was priced at $179.70.  Since the other five were all in clamshell packaging, Alice must have been, too, at least for the sets.


 * After the sale, the price went back to $84.95 until the next Christmas promotion which started October 6, 1987 pricing it again at $29.95. It may have then stayed at that price and not gone on moratorium any time soon if at all. I've seen a cover with 036-5 which is a Classics series with an illustration that wraps all the way around to the back.  I haven't encountered any 036-3 or 036-4, and they're getting even more scarce now that everyone is dumping their VHS inventory. Canadiana 06:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You said Dumbo and Alice were $84.95, was that in Canada or US? I believe it would be US because Tron was intially $99.95, maybe that price was an attempt to keep it from being a box office flop at the time.

Oh, and BTW, did the 1991 video release of The Rescuers Down Under save the film from flopping? In the US, we don't get the stock numbers with an extra 1-9 on them because Disney is a US based company probably, on the back of all my cassette covers, it says "are duplicated in Canada" with the stock number next to it with the extra one. And how long have you worked at the video store since? If it was prior to 1978, remember any Discovision titles?

And one last question, your oldest Disney video you own? Sorry I ask so much/ I am trying to gather info for my fan page about WDHV. --Imax80 22:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't see this until now because this page disappeared off my watchlist somehow. The $84.95 is the U.S. price. I would like to verify the $99.95 somehow, because the information I have shows it at $84.95 and I'm not sure that $99.95 was ever the suggested retail. I'd like evidence that I can verify.  People selling on eBay want to make everything sound more valuable and more rare than they really are, so they are not a very reliable source.


 * I don't believe that you don't get the extra 1-9. You just have to know where to look.  It's on the back close to the bottom in the very small print. The only ones that don't have it are the very first releases.  I only started in the video business in October 1982, back when only 3.1% of the U.S. population had a VCR, but as you can see (on Walt Disney Home Entertainment) I have now found all the titles for the DiscoVision releases.  Others were announced but never released (see the link I provided). I'll get back to you on the other questions. Canadiana 00:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Dumbo was 1985
Sorry hardcore fans, but the Classics edition Dumbo was released in 1985, and we all thought it was 1984. You see, on a large 1984 WDHV ad, the original WDHV covers of Tron, Dumbo, and Alice in Wonderland are featured. If the BD edition of Dumbo was in 1984, it would be in the ad. The same cover appears in the Spring 1985 mini catalogue, so the BD version of Dumbo hit stores in summer 1985 along with Pinocchio. Imax80 00:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * He's lying! Whatever he says is not true! Don't believe him! Skymac207 19:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Very uncivilized. The sources you believe are just guessing the years. Wikipedia is not a collection of wrong information. Imax80 22:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

When did the ad come out for WDHV in 1984? It could have been before the summer of 1984. --Wile e2005 19:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. Skymac207 12:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It came out for the holidays. Besides, the '81 cover of Dumbo appears in the Spring 1985 mini-catalogue, therefore Dumbo was post-Spring 1985. Robin Hood is in that catalogue complete with Classics logo. Imax80 19:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It was 1978 Dumbo was 1st released on video, not 1981! Skymac207 18:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Uh no. Dumbo was released in '81, Disney A to Z, the official Disney encyclopedia, says this. Imax80 23:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Pocahontas
My friend Taylor Green watched the movie in elementary school, and he told me it had the 1988 Classics logo (not sure which variant) on it. Does anyone know which Classics logo it is? --Ryanasaurus0077 12:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, Pocahontas was part of the Walt Disney Masterpiece Collection, and maybe the tape used it because of a video editing error, I mean, we still don't know if Fantasia and Pinocchio were intended to be Classics releases because it says "Walt Disney's Masterpiece" and uses the Classics logo. The 2000 video print of Tarzan has this kind of occurence because when you see the Disney video ad, on all the other tapes, you hear the Masterpiece jingle, but on this, you hear the '88 Classics jingle. It was probably the muffled version from late 1992-1994. I heard some prints of Snow White in 1994 used the Classics logo as well. Imax80 19:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that was also on my Bug's Life tape. Skymac207 18:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * When did the "video editing error" occur? --Ryanasaurus0077 16:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know. Skymac207 22:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * But I think your cousins might know. --Ryanasaurus0077 12:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw that Pocahontas had the 1988 classics logo & you're not going to believe this, but it had the 1989-1991 classics logo, with no muffled music. Another thing, it's not true that "Snow White" had the 1988 classics logo! It had the 1987 home video logo. You heard wrong! Skymac207 19:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you own the version of Pocahontas with the Classics logo? --Ryanasaurus0077 16:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Nope! I own the version with the Masterpiece logo. But, my cousins have the version with the classics logo.


 * Could you please interrogate your cousins on when their copies were printed? --Ryanasaurus0077 12:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * After sucessfully finding out when the classics logo ended & when the masterpiece logo began, I find out that the middle date between Pocahontas' theatrical release (6/23/95) & it's video release (2/28/96) is 9/26/95, that's proballly when the video editing error occured. It was probally in theaters for 3 months, then went to video that day with the video editing error. Then the day, 2/28/96, is probally when they released, the right way.


 * Thanks Skymac! Sometimes you might be really useful after all! --Ryanasaurus0077 17:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Your welcome! That tape was a collector's edition! It'd be worth a fortune, if you sold it on ebay! Skymac207 18:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I heard everyone saying that snow white and the seven dwarfs uses the 1988 classics logo, and I have a version with 1987 walt disney home video logo. If snow white uses walt disney home video logo than 1994 prints of Dumbo, and Alice were first ones to use masterpiece collection logo. What does your print have?


 * Well, you heard wrong! It does not have the 1988 classics logo! It has the 1987 home video logo. To answer your question, I have the version with the 1987 home video logo, but I have seen other versions with the Masterpiece logo before. So, yes, "Snow White" was the 1st 1 to have the Masterpiece logo. The Fox & the Hound was the last 1 to have the classics logo. Skymac207 22:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Three Snow Whites made: One with Roy E. Disney's featurette and the 1986 logo, one with the Masterpiece logo and a trailer for Brave Little Toaster, and one with Roy's Commentary and the Masterpiece logo (which I have). Imax80 22:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No, way! There was never a version with the Masterpiece logo & a trailer for Brave Little Toaster! Only later editions of the Masterpiece Collection has the Masterpiece logo & a trailer for Brave Little Toaster, like my Sword in the Stone tape.


 * Do any of them have Feature Presentation 1992 logo?


 * Nope. Skymac207 21:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Why?


 * Because how else could they put a Feature Presentation logo, when Roy Disney, said in his introduction, it itself! Mr.Wheeler 20:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the one with the 1986 WDHV Logo was the first print and the one with the Mastepiece Logo is the later print.

I guess the first prints of Dumbo and Alice are the first ones to have the Masterpiece Collection logo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.22.185.56 (talk • contribs) 10:34, September 26, 2006 (UTC).

Question
Does anyone know where I can find the orange "Duplication in Whole" FBI logo on? Skymac207 21:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Lady and the Tramp. It's on the one with the diamond in the middle of the label. Unfortunately, I don't have this version, but wile e2005 has this version. Imax80 16:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Was the "Duplication in Whole" logo ever on the 1986 edition of Alice in Wonderland? Skymac207 13:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No. Imax80 19:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, what about Sleeping Beauty? Skymac207 16:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No, that used unsual dark red FBI screens and a video dealer announcement. Imax80 21:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you know what the dark red FBI cards look like (as well as the video dealer announcement), Imax80? Gabrielkat 18:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Of course I do, my 1986 Sleeping Beauty has them. The first screen looks like the first Green FBI screen. But in dark red and bolder font. The second screen has a different font, like some big capital font. The video dealer announcement has the same background that the Sing-Along Songs logo has. Imax80 22:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

More Early Releases
Do you know what movies that aren't part of the 1984-1987 classics logo & should be? Skymac207 13:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, released in '81. Imax80 19:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that should've been part of the 1984-1987 logo in 1984, as well as Bambi, The 3 Caballeros, Fun & Fancy Free, Rescuers & Fox & the Hound. In 1985, should be The Jungle Book, & none in 1986 & 1987. Skymac207 17:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Notes on Dumbo and The Sword in the Stone
The 1989 release date I put there is when Dumbo was repackaged in the blue cover, and I saw it on a 1989 WDHV ad. The prototype version of the cover is seen.

And there was 1991 release as well. But the packaging came out in 1989 with the 1985 tape master inside it, or another version with 1988 Sorcerer Mickey Classics logo with the old-style label on the tape with a different script for "Dumbo."

The 1991 release is the same cover, but with the tape with the white ink. This is the 50th Anniversary version. This was around simultaneously with the '91 Alice in Wonderland tape master with the ink on the cassette.

Now as far as The Sword in the Stone goes, that was also repackaged in 1989 along with Dumbo. They were featured in the ad as "Newly Repackaged!" Now the first versions have the 1986 tape, or another tape with the '88 Classics logo and a different label.

The 1991 version has the white ink on the tape and was released like that for some odd reason. I guess the Dumbo, Alice, and Sword prints in 1991 were updated from the 1989 prints.

So that's to clear the confusion. And if you look at the ad, the covers are prototype versions. Imax80 23:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh no, oh no! You're not 'gonna get me to believe that! I don't believe that! You're faking it! Why, I don't believe in jack squad, either!


 * I am not faking, I saw the ad for it! And I dug up several articles saying this was true! Imax80 21:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Those articles are wrong! They're not always right, y'know. You just can't believe in articles forever! I'm the master of Disney & know everything about Disney! It's time you leave those articles behind & leave all that stuff to the professionals, like me. Skymac207 22:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * My understanding is that the new covers DID come out in 1989, but they DID NOT make newer prints of the videos then! They did that in 1991. They modified the labels a bit on the 1989 copies but still used the older Classics logo. I have a "Dumbo" video like that.


 * I agree with Skymac207 about everything he thinks of! Mr.Wheeler 20:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You don't believe Skymac, you are him! Imax80 23:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * But I believe him! Mr.Walker 16:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Japan section needs serious expanding
We only have three titles. I dug up this site somewhere that showed Japanese laserdiscs of Classics series, complete with the diamond logo. I'll dig up the site again and give you some release dates. Imax80 23:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * All set. Imax80 21:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Sleeping Beauty Preview on Beauty and the Beast
Hey, why is there a Sleeping Beauty preview on Beauty and the Beast? And Sleeping Beauty didn't came out on video 1993. Why did it say coming soon spring 1993. That's not right at all!

It Was Re-released that Year Didn't You Hear "...and coming to Theaters this spring"  - Damess


 * 1. Well, you know, if you look on the Sleeping Beauty page on Wikipedia, you'll discover that there really was no re-release in 1993. It says on the Sleeping Beauty page on Wikipedia that it was released in Poland, Europe 1995. Maybe, they were planning to release Sleeping Beauty in Europe, 1993, but maybe they thought it was too soon. So, they thought just in case they were going to re-relase Sleeping Beauty in Europe, 1993, they put a preview on the Beauty & the Beast video, to tell everybody that. 2. You know what else is odd about the Beauty & the Beast video? It's that every copy have previews at the beginning of the tape for Aladdin, Sleeping Beauty & Pinocchio, then an announcement to stay tune after the movie, for the trailer of 101 Dalmatians. & some copies, have previews at the beginning of the tape for Aladdin & Sleeping Beauty, then the announcement to stay tune after the movie, for the trailer of 101 Dalmatians. I know I own the version with the trailers of Aladdin, Sleeping Beauty & Pinocchio, but what's up with the other copies? Skymac207 22:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

My copy has previews at the beginning for Aladdin and Slepping Beauty. And Then a message with lilac blue backround and white cursive writting saying "We After to the Show For a Special Preview! At the end The same backround and same handwritting saying "And Now Here are Some to New Disney Classics coming to video!" It shows the word disney in it's signature font. The Speical Previews are Pinochio and 101 Dalmations. Hey can someone upload the special preview bumper and 101 Dalmations trailer.

So the Pinocchio trailer was still on the Beauty & the Beast tape, but just at the end of the film, it's shown. My copy was probally made around Nov. 30, 1992 & your copy was probally made in Oct. 30, 1992. Skymac207 22:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep that'z correct! I think. I never saw the 101 Dalmations trailer before. Can some user from youtube.com upload the trailer including the special preview bumper.

C'MON WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO UPLOAD THE SPECIAL PREVIEW BUMPER AND THE 101 DALMATIONS TRAILER WHICH WAS ON BEAUTY AND THE BEAST VIDEO! WHAT ARE YOU DOING USERS, HOMEWORK? I WANT SOMEONE WHO IS A USER OF YOUTUBE.COM TO POST BOTH THEM! PLEASE POST THEM!

The anoucment before the FP screen, the annoucer said "We After to The Show For a Special Preview! From Walt Disney Home Video!"


 * No, it was more like, "Stay tune, after the feature, for a look at another special preview, from Walt Disney Home Video!" Skymac207 17:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, I believe the announcer said "Be sure to stay tuned after our feature for a look at another special preview from Walt Disney Home Video." However, on wile e2005's copy of BATB, the announcer says "Be sure to stay tuned after our feature for a look at more special previews from Walt Disney Home Video." Gabrielkat 02:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi my name is Marco. And on my copy the annoucer reads "We After to the Show For A Special Preview! From Walt Disney Home Video!"


 * That dosen't make sence! It counldn't have been that! Skymac207 18:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry that's what it says. Or maybe I missed heard it.


 * Yeah, maybe you did! Skymac207 21:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Spanish versions
My copy of "La Bella y la Bestia" uses the 1986 Walt Disney Home Video logo instead of the electronically muffled diamond like its English language counterpart (which I also own). What is up with Disney? --Ryanasaurus0077 17:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Ask Disney, I wouldn't know. It may be, dare I say it, an error. Imax80 19:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you have any Spanish-language releases? If so, then please check if they have the 1986 Disney Video logo or the 1988 Classics logo. --Ryanasaurus0077 21:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No I don't have any. May I ask why you have the US and Spanish versions? Imax80 23:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The Spanish version I got first, acquiring it at McKay's. Then just last month I received the English version as a gift from my cousin, Chelsea Tipton. --Ryanasaurus0077 14:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Other Countries
Wasn't the line in countries in South America or Central America? Imax80 21:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It depends what you mean by "the line". I only have one South American cassette.  It's Cinderella from Spetember 1992.  It is labelled Walt Disney Clássicos on the front and spine of the box and on the tape label.  It also has the curled corner graphic in the lower right and says "A Verdadeira Versão do Clássico Disney" (The true Disney Classic version), but there is no "diamond" logo on either the packaging nor the tape.  Despite what the article says, some countries in Europe did have diamond logos on their packaging. Canadiana 13:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Variation of 1986 Sword in the Stone release.
There are two versions. One version has the heading,"Disney's" and the other one suprisingly has the heading "Walt Disney's." Which version was first? Imax80 22:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The original version had "Disney's" on the front of the case with a picture of Arthur ("Wart") holding the sword above his head and "Walt Disney's" on the spine of the case. The re-release said "Walt Disney's Classic" on the front cover and had a picture of Arthur holding the sword which was still in the stone.  Are you talking about a cover that is not like either of those?  If so, is it a Canadian/American cover or one from another country? Canadiana 18:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it's the one where he has it out of the stone and heading says "Walt Disney's", it has to be a rare variant, because I saw it on eBay. Imax80 21:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Promotional Material
What about promotional material? The only material I have seen are those light-up signs, and posters containing the logo.

But weren't there like shirts or pins containing reference to the series? If so, list them down. --Imax80 16:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

How is 1988 prototype classics logo with film-o-vision works?


 * How does it work? I am not sure how they created the logo, I am well aware they used CGI for it. How it works onscreen, it's the same as the regular Classics logo, but the background changes a different color and the diamond is more metallic. Imax80 19:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I wonder what it would be like if the prototype Classics logo did appear on the 1987 Lady and the Tramp and 1992 The Rescuers videos? And how is this diamond more metallic? Gabrielkat 20:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * There is more silver inside it. And it did not appear on Lady and the Tramp or The Rescuers. Imax80 20:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)