Talk:Walter Rauff

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 * After the war, Rauff was detained in Italy but was aided by ODESSA, and perhaps the Croatian Nazi priests in the Vatican, in escaping to Latin America.

Ahm... this is also at Talk:Klaus Barbie. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93;   14:08, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Totally biased article. There is no proof whatsoever that Rauff was a DINA agent.

I agree with the anonymous comment that there is no conclusive proof that Rauff was a DINA agent. However, it appears the source of this allegation was the CIA, as you will read below. I corrected one inaccurancy in the original article concerning his rank. He final rank was SS-Standartenführer. I have always doubted much about the activities of the so-called Odessa. I also added the following, extracted from CIA declassified documents, the efficacy of which I have tested: "as an official of the Criminal Technical Institute of the Reich Security Main Office, Rauff designed gas vans used to poison Jews and persons with disabilities. He later was involved in persecution of Jews in North Africa, and there is a postwar report in the file that he tried to arrange the extermination of Jews in Egypt during late 1942.

"Near the end of the war Rauff, then an SS and police official in northern Italy, tried to gain credit for the surrender of German forces in Italy, but ended up only surrendering himself. After escaping from an American internment camp in Italy, Rauff hid in a number of Italian convents, apparently under the protection of Bishop Alois Hudel. In 1948 he was recruited by Syrian intelligence and went to Damascus (only to fall out of favor after a coup there a year later). According to one report, he tortured Jews in Syria. He and his family then settled in Ecuador, later shifting to Chile, where he may have served in Chilean intelligence. CIA officials could not determine Rauff's exact position. The C.I.A. report adds: "In any case, the government of General Augusto Pinochet resisted all calls for his extradition to stand trial in West Germany".

There is not much else of importance to add from the CIA documents.

Simon Wiesenthal had traced Rauff to Puento Arenas, at the southern most tip of South America because of a 1960s article published in a Buenos Aires news magazine. In 1979, I interviewed Rauff in Santiago. I found him through simple methodology worthy of Sherlock Holmes. It was known that his son had accompanied the family to South America. The maiden name of Walther Rauff's wife was Richter; ergo his son's name would have followed the Hispanic fashion in the Santiago telephone book - (something) Richter Rauff - and there he was: he had been named after both his parents, Walther Richter Rauff. The former SS-Standartenführer Walther Rauff lived about two hundred metres away from the son's house. --Bemister 04:29, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It has been known for years that ODESSA had nothing to do with his escape. In 1948 under the name of Janis Walburg, Rauff was recruited by the Foreign ministry's Political Department (later to become Mossad) as an agent (double agent as he was also working for Syria). When he went to South America the priest did give Rauff money but it was Israeli intelligence that supplied his ticket and passport. Wayne 00:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Rauff served as an Israeli agent
After the war Rauff was used by Israel as an agent. Here is an article by an Israeli source backing it up:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/843805.html

Maybe you should add that in the main article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.31.77.161 (talk) 06:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC).


 * This seems to be totally nonsense. Shraga Elam is a notorius, nonreliable antizionist, and even *if* his sources were accurate the names in this sources were crossed out/removed as stated. So there is nothing to proof this accusation.77.2.105.176 12:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If it doesn't fit the narrative, it must be false. Does that also apply to the following from the article:"...Rauff, an SS officer who was responsible for the murder of at least 100,000 people..."?
 * https://archive.ph/aXrjV 105.0.0.47 (talk) 16:26, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Picture gas van / error
This Van is clearly a Magirus. Nothing is known about gas vans from "Magirus". It should be removed because gas vans are known from the companies Saurer, Diamond T], [[Opel and Renault. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Maierhofer (talk • contribs) 07:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

see Link: deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_vans --Holgerjan (talk) 14:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Gas van = error
This Van is clearly a Magirus. Nothing is known about gas vans from "Magirus". It should be removed because gas vans are known from the companies Saurer, [[Diamond T], Opel and Renault.

Das Foto zeigt keinen Gaswagen. Es handelt sich bei diesem Fahrzeug offensichtlich um einen Magirus-Deutz. Nach allen Veröffentlichungen wurden nur Wagen der vier Firmen Diamond, Renault, Sauer und Opel umgebaut.

--- Vergleiche dazu folgenden Link: http:  //www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_vans_de.html deathcamps

Der Fall des Vernichtungslagers Chelmno wurde durch die "Hauptkommission für die Untersuchung von Verbrechen der Deutschen in Polen" ab Mai 1945 untersucht (dies war der Name der Kommission zu Beginn ihrer Existenz). Die Kommission erhielt die Information, dass in der ehemaligen Ostrowski-Fabrik in der Stadt Kolo (ca. 12 km von Chelmno entfernt) ein Gaswagen steht, der laut Zeugenaussagen im Vernichtungslager Chelmno eingesetzt worden war. Der Wagen wurde gefunden, fotografiert und untersucht. Die damals aufgenommenen Fotos sind verwahrt im Archiv der Hauptkommission in Warschau (Signaturen: 47398, 47396, 47397, 47399, am besten ist Nr. 47398). Die Titel dieser Fotografien lauten auch heute noch: "ein Wagen zum Töten von Menschen durch Auspuffgase, in Chelmno". Eines dieser Fotos wurde abgebildet in Flemings Buch "Hitler and the Final Solution", mit der Information, dass es das Foto eines "Gaswagens" sei, der in Chelmno benutzt worden war. --87.142.146.158 (talk) 17:26, 19 November 2010 (UTC) (de.Wikipedia Benutzer:Holgerjan)

Exporting Holocaust
Is there any authority for the statement that there was a Nazi "long-term aim to export the Jewish Holocaust to the Near and Middle East (including the British Mandate of Palestine, British-occupied Iraq, French-occupied Syria, the Lebanon, Egypt, and Libya), and capture the region’s petroleum fields"?
 * It's quite simple. No, there isn't. It's just another propaganda ploy to set an agenda. --105.4.5.4 (talk) 14:24, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Friedrich Pradel
Information about his deputy Friedrich Pradel can be learned in the German edition Friedrich Pradel פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

POV
The statement that "His funeral was the occasion of a Nazi celebration" is unreferenced and political. It is also unlikely. A funeral is simply that. Unless anyone can provide a reference that establishes that his funeral was the occasion of a "Nazi celebration", this claim ought to be deleted.Royalcourtier (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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Mossad?
The allegation that Rauff was employed by the Mossad at some point was removed but has been recently put back into the article, unsourced. I see further up someone linked to a now-dead Haaretz page about it, but the only thing I can find on the current Haaretz site is this https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-the-mossads-botched-assassination-attempts-on-nazi-war-criminals-1.5449633, stating that he was used as an intelligence source concerning the work of the Syrian army "before the Mossad was founded". It describes multiple assassination plots after the foundation of the agency. Anybody got anything else? If that is the extent of it, it perhaps should be rephrased, given the sensitive subject matter. Dragoon17 (talk) 05:18, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know which Haaretz article you say is dead, but one relevant article is available at this url and also this url. It is also more clear on which agency was involved, though one should be aware that precursors of the Mossad are often called Mossad in retrospect despite the inaccuracy. Zerotalk 10:05, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

I restored the information seeing that reliable sources were presented. Al-Andalusi (talk) 16:13, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

He definitely worked for Mossad; I have expanded the sections, with citations to News sources. Peter K Burian (talk) 15:47, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Sources and POV
"Rauff is accused by Jewish sources of being responsible for nearly 100,000 deaths during World War II. " Unsourced and the use of Jewish sources here feels politically motivated. Should be sourced and cite the relevant organization(s). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:480:18A0:F9E9:32F9:6DDC:2F29 (talk) 21:56, 3 June 2023 (UTC)