Talk:Wang Dan

Requested move 16 January 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) JudgeRM   (talk to me)  03:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Wang Dan → Wang Dan (disambiguation) – restoring dab to original page; this is connected to the request above. — Gorthian (talk) 02:14, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:52, 16 January 2017 (UTC) (And then move Wang Dan (dissident) to Wang Dan.)
 * That previous move request was from 2009, and there was no Wang Dan (Song dynasty) then. As articles are created, so are dab pages. Timmyshin (talk) 02:25, 16 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Query whether the dissident is a main meaning. ("The request above" was to move Wang Dan (dissident) to Wang Dan, by Gorthian, with reason "The page was moved yesterday with no discussion, and a previous move request had concluded that the article was the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.".) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:52, 16 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose The 2009 Rm consensus is no longer valid after the creation of Wang Dan (Song dynasty), one of the longest-serving grand councilors in the Song dynasty. To put things into perspective, Song dynasty with a population of 50-100 million in the 11th century was the most populous empire in the world, and Wang Dan was the second most powerful man in that empire for 12 straight years (behind an emperor totally uninterested in governing). As has been discussed in previous Primary topic RMs such as Talk:Sun Yue (basketball), long-term significance is also an important factor to consider when determining a primary topic. There are also many other important "Wang Dan"'s through history that should be translated from zh.wiki, such as zh:王誕, zh:汪旦, etc. Timmyshin (talk) 08:46, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose - the dissident is better known today and probably gets more page views, but the Grand Councilor (equivalent to Prime Minister) was certainly far more influential in history. There are also a number of other Wang Dan's, some with English articles, some without. On balance, I agree with Timmyshin that there is no primary topic in this case. -Zanhe (talk) 00:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


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