Talk:War of the Heavenly Horses

Guy Gavriel Kay's fictionalization?
I'm curious whether anyone with expertise can determine whether Guy Gavriel Kay's novel, Under Heaven, adheres close enough to history to warrant a "cultural" mention in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.248.252 (talk) 00:47, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Greco-Chinese war?
The name "Greco-Chinese war" is sourced to a blog and Youtube video. However, the Greco-Bactrian kingdom had lost Dayuan (Ferghana valley) to the Saka some 60 years before the events described here, and the kingdom itself, in Bactria (Daxia), had fallen 20 years before Li Guangli's expedition to Ferghana. Kanguole 12:18, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Greco-Chinese War listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Greco-Chinese War. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed,Rosguill talk 19:10, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Name section
The Name section consists of original research attempting to justify the neologism "Greco-Chinese war". It is not sufficient to claim that the material is sourced in another article, because Wikipedia is not a reliable source – claims made here must be sourced and evaluated here (see WP:CIRCULAR).

Sima Qian did not describe Dayuan as having "customs identical to those of the Greco-Bactrians"; he said that the customs of Daxia were like those of Dayuan. In the same passage, he says that Daxia had no central authority, implying that the kingdom had broken down before Zhang Qian's arrival. The bit about wine is pointless except as some sort of insinuation of Greekness.

Dayuan was not isolated by the migrations of the Yuezhi around 160 BCE. It was overrun by the Saka around 160 BCE, decades before the Yuezhi passed through the valley.

But since the name being promoted isn't used in reliable sources, all this original research in support of it is pointless. Kanguole 07:31, 10 June 2019 (UTC)


 * This is not original research, but copied directly from the article Dayuan. Refer to the original source Dayuan to determine whether or not the original authors (not me) of this material did any 'original research'. Post your 'original research' and 'citation needed' tags in the Dayuan article. I claim no responsibility for that material authored in the intro of Dayuan. If the material is modified or removed from the Dayuan article then I will accordingly modify the name section of this article. Alexkyoung (talk) 08:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The Dayuan article was describing a possible Greek connection, which is sensible. But here, you are using that material to justify calling the war the "Greco-Chinese War" à la Kings and Generals, which is not supported by the sources in the Dayuan article. As such, this is WP:SYNTHESIS, which falls under original research. No article should be entirely dependent on another article since each has its own context and it makes no sense to place a "lock" on this article because another article says something else. _dk (talk) 20:36, 10 June 2019 (UTC)