Talk:Warcraft: Orcs & Humans/Archive 1

Windows version?
I don't think there was ever a "Windows" version. Blizzard's website for WarCraft doesn't mention any "Windows" requirements and the downloadable demo there is DOS based. Also, I own a WarCraft CD that came in the "Battlechest" with the DOS versions of WarCraft II and Beyond the Dark Portal and it is also DOS based. I don't think that a Windows port ever existed (certainly it would have been included in the Battlechest with WC2) so, why is a "Windows" version mentioned here? I think that should be removed unless I'm wrong. Hexadecimal82 03:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * MobyGames says that the BatteNet edition is Windows. The regular one it lists only as DOS (though it may be missing any Windows version).   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 14:54, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * There is no BattleNet edition of WarCraft that I'm aware of. There is a BattleNet edition for WarCraft II which is a Windows Port of WarCraft II but I'm talking about WarCraft: Orcs and Humans, not WarCraft II. --Hexadecimal82 17:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, my bad. :-(  &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 19:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Is it really the second RTS-game?
This article suggests Herzog Twei as the first modern RTS rather than Dune 2. http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3134179

Identifying Herzog Zwei as an RTS in the vein of Dune and Warcraft is incorrect. While it did have strategic elements mixed with action elements, those factors alone does not make a game an RTS by contemporary definition. The RTS mold that Warcraft and Dune began and was later molded and perfected by the Command & Conquer Series and later Warcraft and Starcraft games has little to nothing to do with the gameplay outlined in Herzog Zwei.69.160.148.217 11:47, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Warcraft--Firelord
Can someone look at Warcraft--Firelord and decide what to do with it? Thanks. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 05:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
Seems to be some periodic vandalism here. CompIsMyRx 22:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Mac Version
If I recall correctly, the Mac version was more than just a straight port - Macs never had 320x240 resolution (I think it was some odd number close to 640x480...), so many "ports" had their art assets completely redone (Blackthorne, Flashback, Prince of Persia...). My memory's a little hazy, but I think this was the case with Warcraft, and if someone can confirm this then it probably deserves a mention (as well as a couple of screenshots, if you've still got it). --LuminaryJanitor 12:20, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

release history
I reverted this since I think it's too much detail and doesn't really contain any useful information for most people. Please discuss here if you feel this really should be in the article -- Hirudo 17:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Non-Warcraft:Orcs and Humans content
A lot of the content on this page, particularly in the Movie section and below, doesn't concern Warcraft: Orcs and Humans.

Someone more energetic than me should ensure that the content is moved, if appropriate, to the correct section, and removed from the "Warcraft" article.
 * I'd rather say, that Warcraft: Orcs and Humans got its own article and this article was formed as a general article for the Warcraft Brand/Products (Cloud02 20:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC))

Article title
Is there any logic behind naming this article "Warcraft" instead of "Warcraft: Orcs and Humans"? As that is the official title of the game, I believe this article should be moved to Warcraft: Orcs and Humans. If there is no opposition, I will do it myself. JimmyBlackwing 08:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Due to lack of response, I have made the move. JimmyBlackwing 22:48, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Grimtotem
Grimtotem should not redirect here. If anything, it should redirect to the tauren page. 204.69.40.13 13:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Differences of the counterparts
The text says: "With the exception of some spells, each unit is exactly the same as its counterpart"

This is not the only difference - the shooting ranges of archers and catapults are different thant the ranges of orkish counterparts. -- Pavel Jelinek, pjel@centrum.cz
 * Nitpicking, but the damage is different as well, and the Daemons and Water Elementals are notably different from each other.Dskzero 15:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Apologies for my lack of account here - let's not forget the summoned Spiders on the human side, as opposed to the resurrected corpses on the orcish.

Warcraft redirect
'Warcraft' should redirect to some sort of diambiguation page instead of this page; like how the 'Diablo' page is the disambiguation page and 'Diablo (computer game)' is the page for the actual game. --Elyas Machera 01:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * this was the greatest game at its time -- Andersmusician  $  05:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the list of units be included?
User Fogeltje deleted the list of units on 9th July 07 (even without any prior discussion!). I thinks this article is very short for a subject of such importance and the list of units, such as it was, gives a good impression to the reader about what the game is like. If someone wants it removed, then I think he should expand the article himself into apropriate length in a different way.

User Fogeltje also claims in edit summary that such list does not belong to this article because it is not a Warcraft manual. I see no reason for this; many articles in Wikipedia go even to much more details in lists and tables, see for example Civ_4.

Are there any objection agains restoring the list? --Pavel Jelinek 15:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is rarely a good argument. I'd be happy to keep the units if they were written up in the form of prose, describing (with references) the point to the various types. As a list it's of little value. Chris Cunningham 15:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * They did describe the point of various types. And isn't bulleted list more well-arranged and easier to read than prose? --Pavel Jelinek 15:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I meant the point in the wider sense, not just a trivial "this is a ranged unit" thing. And "easier to read" matters only when you're skimming through things for pertinent information; in this case the info isn't being used in any comparative sense, so the Manual of Style recommends that lists be avoided. Chris Cunningham 16:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you show me where it is in Manual of Style? I would like to read it. --Pavel Jelinek 20:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There have been discussions about lists and it was decided not to use them. A quick look told me it wasn't here so it was probably in the discussion of the Warcraft II article.--Fogeltje 21:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:MOS and WP:MOS give an overview. It isn't clear-cut. Chris Cunningham 06:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the links, Chris. I made this suggestion according to your comments. What do you think about it? --Pavel Jelinek 07:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Addition looks fine to me, it's short, to the point, I see no problem with that.--Fogeltje 09:23, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Perfect :) That's exactly how the section should be written. Thanks! Chris Cunningham 10:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I added it. --Pavel Jelinek 11:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Buildings
I noticed that in the units and structures section there are no structures mentioned. If someone does add that don't forget to mention that they have to be built on the paths.Doomrider15 (talk) 17:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll just add it myself.Doomrider15 (talk) 22:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a disaster please add to it.Doomrider15 (talk) 23:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Griffins & Dragons?
`A patch added the griffin/dragon roosts in 1997.'

Is this true? I've never heard about it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.213.31 (talk) 10:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it was a joke... never heard of that patch either.

81.209.175.245 (talk) 16:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe he confused the "patch" with Warcraft II, which does have griffin and dragon roosts. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 16:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

other games
Why are the other games not listed as spinoffs? Aren't the other games sequels so they don't count as spinoffs The Iron Raven (talk) 04:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

External Link Video
Is the video under external link showing gameplay allowed/needed? Couldn't find anything on whether that video is copyright approved or even if videos like that are allowed on wikipedia, since it really isn't adding anything except for a little bit of footage from the game. Aswed123123123 (talk) 10:03, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * If it was a WP file I'd add a FUR, but don't know if there's an equivalent for external ones. The content is part of the first Orc mission, which really a training mission. I don't seem how it could lose Blizzard any money or make money for anyone else. It simply illustrates the graphics (quite good for the limitations of VGA), UI and basic gameplay concepts. IMO no-one's going to play Orcs & Humans except as historical research - Tides of Darkness was released just over a year later, and was at least twice as good (more thoroughly defined concepts; much better graphics, in SVGA, with much larger viewport; better sound; vastly cut-scenes). --Philcha (talk) 14:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Reviews in Dragon
3 reviews in 2 consecutive issues of Dragon (#219 & #220) looks excessive. Were these full reviews, or more like readers letters, of the kind that now appear in blogs and forums? --Philcha (talk) 22:01, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

More Trivia
Cheats are enabled by typing in "Corwin of Amber" a reference to the protagonist of Roger Zelaznys Amber novels.

Also, the catapults were disproportionately powerful having massive splash damage. This was fixed in Warcraft II.

I don't think they were fixed actually, the gameplay was very different from game to game, so no point actually bringing such trivia to the main article. Dskzero (talk) 18:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Warcraft copied Warhammer 40,000
This fact or controversy, whichever it is, should be mentioned in this article.
 * You must mean Warhammer Fantasy Battles. Warhammer 40k is much more akin to StarCraft. There have always been assumptions that Warcraft is Warhammer, and Starcraft is Warhammer 40k, but I don't think there was ever any proof. Most discussions about this topic was closed on the Games Workshop forums from moderators, and I think Blizzard never stated anything regarding the issue. Aetherfukz 23:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. There is no point in starting a controversy out of something that's just a rumor. It could be copying The Lord of the Rings for all we care about. Dskzero 15:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * OP means to say that Warcraft was based on Warhammer Fantasy, but there is a lot to that even if Blizzard never admitted proof. I suppose GW closed discussions on their forums out of a desire to prevent arguments and bickering over a closed matter, but I see no harm in adding a section on the similarities between the two franchises. Geomike99 (talk) 13:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * This could be mentioned, if there are *any* sources. Otherwise, it's just a rumour and breaks WP:VER. Lothar25 (talk) 20:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I beleive the oringally warcraft game was set to be a warhammer fantasy game but games workshop pulled out near the end. in the ending credits for warcraft blizzard even gives a thanks to games workshop. if anyone actually owns their own copy of the original and not edited or rerealsed versions could you please verify that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.133.2.95 (talk) 07:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Speakin of this, is there any source for the following? If not I believe it should be removed. "To take advantage of the lull in RTS releases, Blizzard produced Warcraft: Orcs & Humans."24.182.161.101 (talk) 23:46, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

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Images
Are those screenshots from the original game? They sure don't look like it. If they are from W3, they should say so in the captions. &mdash;Frecklefoot 15:26, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * It seems they are official screenshots from World of Warcraft: #134 and #132. Svk 15:38, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

"Bill Roper, the game designer and self-proclaimed "closet actor," provided all the voices for this game and the sequel Warcraft II. " - actually, he didn't. Chris Metzen did some of them too. Ausir

I'm moving the WoW image and the board game based on War 3 to their respective articles. Also restructured content a bit to a new "Sequels" section to further show that this article is primarly about Warcraft I and not the other games. I think we should link to those instead of adding their content right into this article. Jugalator 22:00, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

NA Release date
The release date listed, 23 November 1994 is incorrect and the reference provided actually only states the year for which the game was released. A press release that was archived on the unofficial Blizzard Archive by Hallfiry says the release was actually 15 November 1994 (this press release from blizzard.com was not archived by the Wayback Machine since it started in 1996). Could this archived press release be used as a reference for this? Surafbrov (talk) 16:52, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Warcraft and Warhammer
96.53.11.174 (talk) 08:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC) I've located a blog post by a former developer for the game that detailed, among other things, the oft rumored connection between Warcraft and the Warhammer fantasy series http://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/the-making-of-warcraft-part-1

Is there some way I should add this? I feel it would be useful to do so, for completion's sake if nothing else