Talk:Warden (software)

Address Space
The link 3 (mmowned) states Warden does not scan outside WoW.exe, it does not look at any windows, processes, etc outside the game's address space. Nitpicker's Corner: Yes it does some very specific and very limited scans to see if certain drivers etc are loaded into the system. But that is the only real exception. So there is a "real exception" to "not scan outside WoW.exe", which means that it scans outside of WoW.exe. I am removing the claim that it does not, as the source does not substantiate it. Indeed, it seems to indicate the contrary.melikamp (talk) 01:34, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Warden Reversed
Warden has been "somewhat" reversed. See the topic on Valhalla Legends' forum for further reference: http://forum.valhallalegends.com/index.php?topic=17356.0 This wikipedia article needs updating. --FrOzeN (talk) 12:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's good information, but it's pretty near the sharp edge and hasn't received much coverage yet. The key thing about WP is the need for third-party reliable sources. In this case this means that once the work has been verified by either news outlets, security researchers or other similar sources in an article or peer review, it can go in the article. Hope this helps.Gazimoff (talk) 13:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. The implementation at the moment is still temporary, but works (for StarCraft). For those readers (namely, with programming skills) that are interested in digging further into warden, then the Bot Development board and Skull Security's Warden page should contain the latest public information regarding the inner workings of Warden. --FrOzeN (talk) 14:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Misleading information
Comparing the sony_rootkit secretly included with Sony music CDs to warden is incorrect.

The problem with the Sony music CDs is that the end user was not informed and did not agree to the self-installing root kit that altered the Windows OS to enforce copy protection.

Blizzard (The makers of world of warcraft) makes it 100% clear to the end users that blizzard can and will collect data from the users by means of the WORLD OF WARCRAFT® TERMS OF USE AGREEMENT  and WORLD OF WARCRAFT® END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

See http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html 14. Acknowledgments

Also see http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html

You must agree to the TOS and EULA therefore you agree to the presence of warden furthermore every patch update that is made to world of warcraft game software requires the end users to agree to the TOS and EULA before they can use the game software. 209.158.240.19 (talk) 21:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Warden Operation
I'm pretty sure that the Blizzard Launcher does NOT run Warden, and have edited the article as such. While it does scan you system, it was designed to gives users a warning before continuing on to logging on, where Warden would then catch them. Nothing is transmitted while using the Launcher, and it can by bypassed if you wish. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/misc/launcher.html -- GermanShepherd 15:35, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, an expert computer programmer can always find a way to bypass any kind of scanner if they know how to "externally" use the hard drive and if the anti-cheat software is on their hard drive (which is the case with Warden).--99.237.222.73 (talk) 18:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Rename to "Warden (software)"
The name Warden has not been publicly acknowledged by Blizzard to be the correct name of the tool. It has now, but likely by accident. On page 10, line 14, it states: Blizzard employs a software program called Warden as a technical measure that prevents unauthorized access to WoW and restricts users from loading unauthorized copies of WoW. Before I make the change, I'd like to make sure there is consensus. Maged123 22:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That appears to be pretty unambiguous. I'm for it. -Toptomcat 17:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Moved. -Maged123 21:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Diablo III
Should this article mention D3 since it isn't even out yet? I presume the game will use the software, it just seems like we are jumping the gun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.146.119 (talk) 20:23, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Bias
This article seems heavily biased. remember the wikipedia articles should present both sides of the story. I'm tagging it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nblschool (talk • contribs) 02:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Statements such as "This means that Warden does not create any privacy issues whatsoever ..." strengthen the posititon that the author has a bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.167.56 (talk) 18:47, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Bias? "This means that Warden does not create any privacy issues whatsoever unless you are suspected of something, and running a tool or hack in the background and it not having any functions to do with injecting to memory should not effect normal gameplay" it could be wrote as "will not effect normal gameplay unless its a driver or editing one of the memory offsets it watches warcraft's address space for" creating a loop but hey if its not bias. In my opinion this is both sides of the story, you sign the EULA to let them if you do it. They do it because they have permission. End of story. Old warden versions did such things as create privacy violations but they did NOT send back any information(talking about scan/warden) unless it was on the list of hashes OR window titles that made the program send red flags exactly the same as now, exept warden doesnt look at process titles it no longer looks at things like these except drivers loaded into the system. I didn't want to put up a list of things I found it to detect or detect and remain silent about I hardly think Wikipedia would like blizzard requesting them to take it down. Is this enough? The page was already chopped up by someone thinking it was frivolous information, when trying to explain what and how a cheat protector works in a way not to reveal too much about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmhelm (talk • contribs) 06:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think its biased at all. The article clearly states the other side in a neutral manner. Sptmaster (talk) 12:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the article is biased anymore. Any objections to removing the tag? Cypherjb (talk) 09:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope. In fact, I'll remove it.  It's served its purpose - the article appears to be adequately neutral now, for the most part. -K10wnsta (talk) 21:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Merc?
The wowglider section says the courts "have held Merc personally liable for the awarded money". But the article doesn't explain who "merc" is, and neither of the refs in the following para (that para has no explicit ref) seem to say who Merc is either. -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 21:06, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

External links modified
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