Talk:Warfalla

Other tribes
Great for starting this article. I have limited knowledge here, but assume we should have articles about the other tribes as well (or possibly a merged article about the [Tribes of Libya], if the main [Libya] article doesn't cover it already. Any thoughts? Ocaasi (talk) 21:19, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm headed for bed at the moment, and am working all weeked, so I'm not looking to do any "heavy lifting" right now. However, I had planned on starting at least two other articles. There's plenty of info out there about the tribes which inhabit Libya, since they basically are Libya... there's a rich treasure trove out there, just waiting to be mined. With the current situation in Libya this seems like an opportune time to collate as much of it as possible into a Wikipedia article, which is why I started this one. It's just a matter of getting everything together and writing it all. This particular article is obviously far from being a "good article", or anything like that, but at this point I'm not particularly concerned about such things. Feel free to add to the article though, or even start an article on one of the other tribes. I imagine that a whole series could be developed. — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;&bull;&thinsp;Contribs) 04:45, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Population
I am from Libya; The number of population of Warfalla tribal group is very exaggerated, the accurate number is around 220,000. The number of population belonging to other Tripolitanian tribal groups: Tarhunah = 420,000 Misurata = 240,000 Zliten = 240,000 Gharyan = 215,000 az-Zawiyah = 145,000 Warshaffana = 132,000 Misillata = 110,000 Si'an = 80,000 'Ujailat = 64,000 Khums = 60,000 Zintan = 58,000 Zwara = 56,000 Tajura' = 46,000 Qadhadhifa = 31,000 Awlad Abu Saif = 28,000 Nawa'il = 27,000 Maqariha = 24,000 Awlad Suleiman = 20,000 Hasawina = 8,500

m0h.z0rg 15:41, 27 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by M0h.z0rg (talk • contribs)

The population of Warfalla and other tribes is based on data collected in the early 20th century (See di Agostini, Col. Enrico, Popolazione della Tripolitania, Tripoli, 1917) - the numbers of population of all the tribes have gone up in the last century but relative to each other, then the ratio among tribes remains unchanged. so by doing simple calculation we know that Warfalla is about 3.75% of population of Libya (5,817,433 in 2011). also, this is more accurate if consider the number of Warfalla in their hometown which is about 100,000; I don't know about their numbers in Cyrenaica, but even if we add them the number will not reach 1,000,000 or even 300,000. I know that Bedouin people are so proud about their tribes and tend to exaggerate their numbers and strength, so PLEASE don't change the estimated number of population unless if you have a trusted source (not just a false claims from the internet). m0h.z0rg 12:44, 17 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by M0h.z0rg (talk • contribs)

Basic Inaccuracies
I am a Werfelli from Libya.

I would like to point out some generally incorrect information:

Firstly, may I suggest using Italian General Rodolfo Graziani's books for your source of information as it is quite accurate of western Libya's history, tribes, and civil conflicts. http://openlibrary.org/authors/OL1087162A/Graziani_Rodolfo

Second, Werfella are at least 800,000 of Libya's whole population, it is the largest 'Tribe', but only 100-120k maximum reside in Bani Walid, the Werfella capitol.

Thirdly, it's not necessarily a tribe, but a 'tribal federation', a 'Clan' if you will, because not all the member tribes within it are related by blood (My tribe is not.)

Fourthly, never did the Werfella reside within the Misratah area, not now nor throughout history. Officially Bani Walid was listed under the Misratah district to purposely shame & anger Werfella, it is part of Gaddafi's punishment to the tribe for attempting a coup. Graziani and the Italians describe their territory only as the "Werfella region" - It is distinct and extends in a downwards Arc from bani walid, southward, then northwest overlapping with Zintan's territory.

Fifth, I'm not so sure the civil war in the Western mountains had any real relevance to Werfella aside from some political alliances. However, what is much more important (in terms of civil war) is Ramadan Swehli of Misrata's attack on Werfella territory and the subsequent battle with Abd ElNebi Bilkhair of Bani Walid. They were rivals throughout the Italian colonial period.

I wish I had time to edit this and sift through Graziani's Italian, but I need to get back to the news. Long live free Libya! :)


 * The following comment was written in the main page of the article (under "References"), where it shouldn't be. I transferred it to the Talk Page, where it's welcome. Ilyacadiz (talk) 22:35, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * In terms of scientific rules it is not right to let political preferences affect the scientific reality in reference to what has been written about the number of Warfalla tribe population. There has been no any scientific scenes (public or private) that is based on tribe category and much of what have been written is not more than rhetoric but there are unofficial stimulation say that Warfalla tribe is the biggest Arab tribe in Libya with more than 1 million people. Moreover, there has been no any credible historical evidence supporting the idea that Warfalla tribe is belonging to barbarian roots. If somebody prefers to say that Warfalla is loyalist to Gaddafi regime, it is true that Warfalla's belief and value system doesn't allow its individuals to act against their religious, ethical and morale principles. This doesn't mean that they were in a full harmonization with the regime. They were targeted by the regime for more than 18 years due to the 1993 attempt to overthrow the regime. Because of this Warfalla were put under Misrata's administration. It was not Warfalla, but Misrata were Gaddafi's pet. During Gaddafi's 40 years the Libyans have known well that Misrata took the biggest share of the country's developing plans. More than 80 factories were located in Misrata including the biggest steel and iron complex in North Africa. It was also home to three sea ports, an international airport, and an air-force academy. Misrata is the richest city in Libya and the people of Misrata are the richest between the Libyans. This is because of their closest relationships with the regime that allowed them to gain benefits and accumulated advantages. At least, one-fifth of the every government that took place between 1996 and 2012 were Misratian people. Most of the big companies in and outside the country, crucial embassies, security agencies in Libya were run by Misratian people.

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