Talk:Warriors (novel series)/Nov 2007

Warrior's Refuge
I think that there's enough info for it to get it's own article. The cover's even been found and released to the general public. I tried uploading it but I'm not sure if I did everything right. If no one has any objections I'm going to create it. ClawClaw 20:48, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, as long as there's enough information that it won't be instantly up for speedy deletion, then I have no arguments. Just remember to cite any given information in the article as you do so, otherwise it might be considered speculation and such. And we'll help along the way if you need any. Good luck! :)  §ροττεδςταr (Talk 21:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * There. I did the best I could. If someone could look it over that would be wonderful... ClawClaw 21:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow. Someone found a colored picture of the cover... ClawClaw 21:43, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Warrior's Return
I created an article for Warrior's Return as well. ClawClaw 22:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

New Books (revealed on 3 October 2007)
At her tour date in Haverford, Pennsylvania earlier this evening (3 October, 2007), Vicky revealed some stuff. There will be seven more manga volumes (Scourge will have his own), there'll be two more stand-alone specials (Bluestar has one and the first Clan cats have the other), there'll be another guide book (Code of the Clans), and the fourth book of PoT has a working title (it's long, but I missed most of it because the kids around me started cheering or whatever). I'm just letting everyone know that, before we get super-suspicious when someone tries to put up something that turns out to be a true thing. TakaraLioness 01:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow. We're going to have a lot of work to do. Shrewpelt 12:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Are Cats of the Clans and Code of the Clans the same thing?  Because the latter, which we've had for a while now, wasn't announced as a future book... -- ~|ET|~ (Talk) 19:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, they're not the same, they're two seperate books, and we've not had either. All we have is Secrets of the Clans. TakaraLioness 19:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I meant we've had it on here. And are you sure they aren't the same - title changes are entirely possible.  I mean, why wasn't Cats of the Clans announced with the rest of the books? That's what led me to believe there may have been a title change. -- ~|ET|~ (Talk) 20:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cats of the Clans had been announced earlier, and Vicky mentioned it (seperately from Code of the Clans) in her discussion, saying how much she loved the art and how she was saving up to buy it. TakaraLioness 20:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oookay. Not being there (why couldn't she have come to the other side of PA? :, I didn't know that, and you hadn't mentioned it.  Thanks for clearing that up for me. -- ~|ET|~ (Talk) 20:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. :) Cats of the Clans is announced in the May chat somewhere, if I remember correctly. Yeah, it would've been great if Vicky dropped by more places in PA. TakaraLioness 20:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ............YAY!!!!!! For a while, I thought Warriors was going down the tubes very quickly with the decrease in book releases, but now I know that's not true!  I have HOPE!  OK, sorry about that.  Anyway, thank you very much for this info, TakaraLioness.  I speak on behalf of the whole "WikiClan": your support is greatly appreciated.  Sincerest Regards,  Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 22:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. ^^ I think I'm one of the few people who actually enjoyed TNP, especially Twilight. Heh. WikiClan. That so suits us.
 * On another note, according to someone who was at the Ohio tour date yesterday, Vicky said that the title of Book 4 has changed. So, I suppose that means the article will need renaming. But what to call it? TakaraLioness 00:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I problem I had was that I went to the PA signing for Twilight, abd the whole Q+A section wasn't published on the internet, so I couldn't verify info that I heard in the Q+A. We really can't start these articles unless the info was posted online or something...(By the way, ET, I'm angry too, they were on the wrong side of PA! Why...) ~ Bella   Swan  00:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think any of the sessions have been published online (though I hope HarperCollins realizes that people really want to read these interviews). I know one of my friends took down notes of the Q&A session in NYC, but that's it. But yes, you do have a point about how we don't have hard, text proof. If only Vicky would post what she's mentioned in her tour log, we'd be fine... TakaraLioness 01:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If she has a tour log then she should update it soon and we'll all be fine... ~ Bella   Swan  02:16, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * She does have a log on the Warriors site, but she hasn't yet mentioned any of the new books there as she has in the discussions as the tours. TakaraLioness 10:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, yeah, someone put up a fourth title for Po3. Is this fake?  I forget what they're calling it, but it sure sounds fake...  Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 12:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, never mind, the article states that Vicky confirmed it, so I guess that it's true. Sorry about the confusion.   Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 12:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's ok. :) *sigh* I really wish we had transcripts of the tour discussions... Oh well... 'Kay, so in Ohio, Vicky confirmed that the manga books would include a story about Tigerstar in Sasha, and apparently, she's changed the title of Book 4. It's no longer Shadow of the Stars. TakaraLioness 14:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My goodness, TakaraLioness, where do you get all this information? You should be our tour secret angent. :)  Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 18:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hehehe. I get it from the Warrior's Wish forums. I'm a moderator there and some of the members have been able to go to the tours. The friend of mine who I said took notes at the NYC tour is a member there also, as is the one who told us about the manga involving Tigerstar and Sasha. TakaraLioness 21:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

The Play
I remember seeing a mention of this somewhere in the discussions before but it was recently released on warriorcats.com. I was wondering if we should make a mention of it anywhere in the article. ~Rainclaw (NOT Rainpaw) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.247.1.36 (talk) 20:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm, good idea, but where would we put it? BTW, Rainclaw, you should set up a User Account on Wikipedia, so it doesn't always seem like you're an unsigned user.  Wouldn't it be nice to have a user page and everything, plus record all the great edits you'll make to articles?   Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 02:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe put it in it's own section? (By the way, Rainpaw is my little brother and when I used the warrior name game thing I got Rainclaw he got Rainpaw) ~Rainclaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.215.85.163 (talk) 15:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I understand the Warriors names. Anyway, as nice as that sounds, I know someone will come storming in and delete an article about the play if we created one, saying "You don't have enough information." and things like that.  However, you know, we don't have to metion every single Warriors thing on Wikipedia...the article would be huge!  That's what fan sites are for.   Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 22:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I know that if we had every single thing on Warriors it would completely take up Wikipedia, however since it was written and confirmed by Erin Hunter it deserves some mention. ~Rainclaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.239.216.204 (talk) 22:07, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Confirmed? No, it has not.  I'm going to keep saying that, unless it is confirmed to be canon, we shouldn't mention it, because it doesn't deserve mentioning otherwise. -- ~|ET|~ (Talk) 01:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * True, it's not confirmed confirmed as canon to the story (though I think Vicky said that we may be able to get some hints about PoT from it), although its existance is pretty true. The article has a section just to say that plans for a Warriors film aren't in production. I don't think mentioning the play could hurt. It is, after all, a work related to the series... TakaraLioness 02:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Um. There's no proof that Vicky was the one to write it. On the site the note is signed by Erin Hunter. ~Rainpaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.239.225.241 (talk) 21:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Vicky did write it. In her tour diary entry for 28 April 2007, it says, "This event saw the World Premire of After Sunset: We Need To Talk, the short play that I wrote especially for this tour." TakaraLioness 23:01, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Okay :D ~Rainpaw

Should We Include Who Wrote Which?
I'm sorry if this has been brought up in the past and I just missed it for some reason, but in the books' respective articles, do you think that we should include a specification on who wrote which book?

For example, in The Sight article, it would say that Kate had written it, while in the Firestar's Quest' article, it would say that Cherith wrote that book. Actually, in the FQ article, it does say that Cherith wrote it. With the inclusion of which person wrote what, it could help to make the articles more informative. And, I think, it's also more efficient than having to go and look the authors up just to see which wrote whatever book of the first series, etc, etc.

So, my question is: should the articles say which author wrote which book? And if this has already been asked and answered, I'm terribly sorry for missing it in the Archives or wherever. If no one has any complaints against the idea, I'd be happy to go ahead and edit the articles accordingly. TakaraLioness 01:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I don't know if we already have that information. I've looked through the articles recently and I don't think it specifies who wrote each book. But that's not a bad idea! Go ahead and do it, Takara; you have my approval to do so! :)  §ροττεδςταr (Talk 03:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and did up to Rising Storm but got kinda sidetracked. The easiest way to find out who's who is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Hunter ClawClaw 20:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually ET brought up that that article has no sources but if you go to Kate's website she says which ones she wrote. To figure out which ones Cherith wrote you include whatever ones Kate didn't write. I know that's original research but if someone wants to track down another website that has that info be my guest. ClawClaw 20:18, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's not original research because one of the authors revealed it, and works just fine as a source. ^_^

A Suggestion
I was thinking that the leads for the different warrior series (The Original, The New Prophecy, Power of Three) tshould include the prophecys they revolve around. ~Rainpaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.239.225.209 (talk) 20:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I like that idea, but I won't add this information until I get the ideas from other wikipedians. 12.214.76.88 21:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC) Firestream formerly known as Oceanstream
 * It's not a bad idea. I wouldn't mind having the initial prophecies ("Fire alone" for the original, "Darkness, air, etc" for TNP, "There will be three" for Po3) on each little thing, but I'm not sure if we need every single one listed. Maybe all of those that've appeared in the series could be put into another article? Perhaps we could add prophecies to the Clan article. TakaraLioness 23:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hm. Putting the prophecies in the clan article is an interseting idea but I think what Rainpaw was saying that the leads to the book series should have them. ClawClaw 16:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

The new information is in!
Some of this wouldn't belong on this talk page, but it's much easier to group it all together.

I got to go to Vicky's tour in Georgia (driving 4 hours and getting back at 1:30 in the morning). She said that Scourge's manga book will be called "Scourge's Past". Sasha will have a manga trilogy. Shadow of the Stars' confirmed title is Eclipse. The not-in-books family trees on the site are false--Vicky didn't make them. There were 30 years between SkyClan's exile and current books.

Since the family trees are false, I'd much appreciate it if somebody else could go through and fix them--I have to fix my own website and a pictorial family tree.

Thanks a million, Lakestorm 11:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm Lakestorm 11:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Not that I don't beleive you or anything, but unless this is on a website anywhere on the internet or anything, you can't put this info in the aricle. Wikipedia has to have complete proof that everything on it is true. Unfortunatly, I don't think there is any way to prove this besides somebody's word, which doesn't work. ~ Bella   Swan  17:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Well we don't have any proof anywhere that the title of Book 4 IS Shadow of the Stars and someone mentioned above that at a tour stop after Vicky announced that SotS was the title she said that SotS wasn't going to be the title (sorry if that line is a bit confusing) so if Lakestorm says it's Eclipse I believe her. I never really trusted the family trees because certain relatives don't really make sense but until Vicky or one of the other authors announces on a website that they are false we will still have people coming back and changing the info to support the family trees. As for the title of Scourge's Manga it makes sense and we can always say it is the working title. ~Rainclaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.239.225.209 (talk) 19:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, we bought the whole Shadow of the Stars thing because the member who reported on that went to the tour date where it was first announced. This is the case here as well, apparently, and I find much of it likely, except for the thing about the family trees...
 * Now, please note that I noticed this after I reverted that edit on the ThunderClan page. And I'm in agreement here with Bella (Except with maybe the deletion of the Shadow of the Stars page...).  We have an official source, the website, for the current family trees.  But for saying that they aren't correct (Which would be... Well.  Stupid.  Because they're on the official website, and for them to be false would be such a foolish move made by whoever put them up, and I don't see that as being likely.) we don't. -- ~|ET|~ (Talk) 19:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm still wondering what to do with the SotS page, since Vicky later said that the title had changed. Anyways, I'm quite for waiting for hard proof on the info (or, at least more people reporting the same info). TakaraLioness 20:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I put up that supposedly Vicky changed the title to Eclipse. ClawClaw 20:26, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Electric--I can see where you're coming from, but this is what Vicky said: that HarperCollins asked if they could put family trees on the website, but she didn't want them to. She eventually agreed, under one condition, that the only trees are New Prophecy. They ignored her. She admits them to being fake, as Redtail, being a tortoiseshell, can't have kits. I'm going to go back and remove all the website information, if that's okay with you guys?

Lakestorm 20:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm Lakestorm 20:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Redtail being a tortoiseshell means he can't have kits...? Did ya mean he can't have a kit with the same fur as Sandstorm because of that? :P  Okay, that makes sense then.  And, t'was a much better explanation than just saying Vicky said they were fake/false... I'd say go ahead and remove them... I'll help too if you want it. -- ~|ET|~ (Talk) 20:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

No, it means Redtail literally can't have kits; tortoiseshell toms are sterile.

Well, anyway, I'll get started then! :D Lakestorm 20:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm Lakestorm 20:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, as for the book 4 title, Eclipse...I think that we should change "Shadow of the Stars" to "Eclipse". I mean, think about it.  Everyone was willing to hurry out and post "Shadow of the Stars" up after TakaraLioness said that she heard it at the tour, but now no one wants to change it to "Eclipse" now that Lakestorm says that Vicky confirmed it at her Georgia tour.  Bella, when you metion "conplete proof", how much more complete do you want?  This info is directly from the editor.   Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 21:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You do have a point there. Though with Book 4's title, I'd missed the full title at the tour (because of kids cheering around me)... So, I'm probably not the best source to cite (since I had to find out from someone else what the title was, and the title they gave was the one that the Wikipedia article said (so I'm trusting this person, a member of Warrior's Wish called Ferncloud)) since I only made out the very basics of the title (that it was long, and it involved words that started with "s"). And then like the next day, I read from someone who went to the Ohio tour that the title changed. So, I really don't know what to say, but perhaps Kate knows the title... Maybe if enough people ask on her site, she'll answer the question of "Is the title of PoT book 4 Eclipse?" TakaraLioness 23:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm a usual veteran of The Guttersnipe, so I'll ask her. Great suggestion.   Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 13:51, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone went ahead and changed all of the Shadow of the Stars stuff to Eclipse, but didn't redirect the page, just put Eclipse as the link to the page. I changed it all back and have also put SotS up for speedy deletion because right now there are no reliable sources for the article because it is not widespread over the internet or in other sources and therefore cannot have an article in Wikipedia. ~ Bella   Swan  20:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, so what you're saying is that you're an earlier Vicky tour over a later one? Vicky HERSELF said that the fourth working title is called "Eclipse".  Now, I understand that first she said it was "Shadow of the Stars" (or something similar), but that was an EARLIER TOUR.  You know Vicky-she reveals just a little at a time.  I think that Vicky actually stating herself that the fourth working title is "Eclipse" is as reliable as we're gonna get.  Regards,  Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 21:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Warriors: Field Guides
Okay, I've tried editing the Warriors page a few times so that Secrets of the Clans, Cats of the Clans, and Code of the Clans are under a Field Guide heading. On the Official Warriors website, under the Warriors Books, it has the mini-series Original Warriors, The New Prophecy, Power of Three, Manga, Super Edition, and Field Guide. Firestar's Quest is under Super Edition and, separatley, Secrets of the Clans is in the Field Guide section. So, Cats of the Clans and Code of the Clans, along with Secrets of the Clans, should be under a section titled Field Guide and be separate from the Super Edition heading. Twirlywirlyswirly 22:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)Twirlywirlyswirly
 * So, why are you telling us this? If you see something that needs done, do it!  You don't need our judgement.   Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 23:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Because, every time I try to edit it it shows up, but after a while is changed back. Like earlier today I tried to change it, but now it's gone back. Twirlywirlyswirly 02:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Uhh, "every time?" You've done it once, so I don't think that you can be making this argument.
 * I reverted it because you hadn't explained why you were making the switch. Once you did, here, I understood, and promptly reverted my revert, because you're right.  But you didn't say what you were doing before, and it looked like an unnecessary change to me. -- ~|ET|~ (Talk) 10:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Dark River release date
I've heard rumors that The Dark River will be released Oct. 2007, Dec. 26, 2007 and Jan. 2008. Both the main article and the Dark River article itself have Dec. 26. When is the real release date?! Spotted stripe (Talk2Me) 18:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Amazon says December, I think, while some other sites say January. Vicky thought the book would be out in October because that was when she was touring the U.S. again, but she wasn't sure. I think we can take October off of the list. My guess is that the date is the December one. TakaraLioness 19:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * My best guess would be the Amazon date too. Before Metros deletd the Dark River article, I had added Amazon's release info, but it was still removed. Bella   Swan  14:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Same thing about Warriors Refuge. I've heard both October and December.  Are both Warriors Refuge and The Dark River going to be released Dec. 26?   Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 21:35, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think so. I think they'll be released on the same day, just as TLW and TS were. TakaraLioness 21:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. I thought so.  Maybe book 3 of the manga and Outcast will be released on the same day too.   Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 23:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I've just had a thought. Usually Canada gets the books first. So people are going to be putting up spoilers early. I looked on Chapters.ca, but it's not on their yet. So be warned on spoilers, at least I have ideas for Christmas persents! (My birthday's in 16 days, I had no ideas left.) Griffenflash 17:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Correction, Warriors Refuge is listed Dec. 26, but Canada will probably get the books early anyway. Griffenflash 17:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, are you a resident of Cananda?  Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 00:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Warriors (box set 1-3).jpg
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 * Uh, OK, does anyone know who posted the image in the first place? They should have an explanation.   Spotted  stripe (Talk2Me) 00:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I put together a rationale. Nothing complicated, but I'm fairly sure it should meet the requirements. Kitsufox 12:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I figured I'd put this here because it applies to almost all Warriors books, but I've added rationals to all the images that were marked as not having rationals on their respective pages. ~ Bella   Swan  20:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)