Talk:Washing Machine (album)

Album Title/Band Name
I remember hearing years ago that the band's original intention was to change their name to Washing Machine, and that the name of this album would be Sonic Youth; sort of a clever way to make that transition. I see no mention of this here or in the main Sonic Youth entry. Has this been discredited? If not, why is it not mentioned anywhere on this site? 206.15.76.98 23:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * it's probably something they just said —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 14:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Washing Machine (album)
This article had been copied to Washing Machine (album) without redirecting. I changed that article to redirect here and merged the changes that had been made. See How to rename (move) a page for why copy and paste moves are forbidden and Wikiproject_Albums for why this is the appropriate name for the article anyway. --PrologFan 22:00, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I've sorted out the copy and paste move so that the article history is preserved. Theresa Knott  (a tenth stroke) 18:31, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Wait, why isn't this article at Washing Machine? The disambiguation is totally unnecessary.  --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:33, July 12, 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed, the capitalization sets it apart, and there's no reason to have it here. I'll move it and provide a link to Washing machine. Sarge Baldy 01:58, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


 * While I can understand the desire for the fans and groupies of this band wanting this article to command the attention that is received from a direct search hit, can you honestly believe that most typical people of the planet are thinking about some obscure musical group when searching for this phrase? No, this is an obscure topic compared with the washing machine appliance article, and this article should definitely be "demoted" to a page with "(album)" appended to it so that any capitalization variant of the phrase "washing machine" goes to the appliance article first. DMahalko 15:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't agree. Sonic Youth are very influential in rock music, so therefore indisputably notable, and it's not a WP policy to make search rules based on subjective judgements of what constitutes obscurity.  If Sonic Youth are obscure, the whole of eg. modern / postmodern art, in fact any serious cultural topic at all is relatively obscure compared to something as quotidian as a washing machine.  It's also very clear cut in the English language that capitalisation indicates a proper noun, not a noun.  If people looking up washing machines are confused by this, they should learn the rules of English grammar before they start trying to read encyclopedias.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.200.84 (talk) 14:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * Washing Machine → Washing Machine (Sonic Youth album) … Rationale: The only thing that differentiates the names of this album article and the article on the home appliance of the same name is that the album article is called Washing Machine, whereas the other is spelt with a small M in 'Machine'. I tried to make the move myself, but I found that I could not as the article Washing Machine (Sonic Youth album) already exists, but just redirects into 'Washing Machine'. … Please share your opinion at Talk:Washing Machine. RichardHarrold 12:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The title has a capital M, which I feel sufficiently distinguishes this from the device, because Wikipedia style policy requires that the M can only be capitalized in the article title if it is a proper name, and it is a proper name here. I consider the notice sufficient in guiding readers unaware of Wikipedia standards for article titles. Sarge Baldy 23:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The naming of this article breaks the standard for all other music album articles, which is to include the word (album) at minimum in the article title. Having two articles differ merely by the capitalization a single letter is confusing to people searching for the generally much more revelant appliance article. In terms of search priority this article is far less important than the appliance article -- the importance of the appliance article will carry on long after this album has faded from popularity. DMahalko 14:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The standard for album articles is not to always include "(album)", only to do so when necessary to disambiguate from another article. See WP:ALBUM. --PEJL 15:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And in this situation the disambiguation is necessary. Seriously, when most people search for the term Washing Machine it is going to be for the appliance and not some obscure music album. The what links here demonstrates this. It reveals a number of appliance related articles that already confuse this with the appliance topic. DMahalko 15:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not disagreeing with you (or agreeing with you for that matter), just pointing out that your statement that album articles should always use "(album)" is incorrect. As for the capitalization, see WP:CAPS. --PEJL 15:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * (I am still new to the wiki management process and was under the impression I had to make a deletion request for the redirect before making a move request for this. It appears the deletion of the redirect is automatic before the move for this would occur..)
 * It has now been five months since this was debated (above) and no one has been able to justify why this is not more appropriate as Washing Machine (album) and the washing machine article is not much more important as a direct search hit, and so I am making an official move request for this article. You can debate this on Requested_moves.
 * DMahalko (talk) 22:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Article has been moved/renamed by an admin. DMahalko (talk) 20:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Instrumentation, etc
Could someone offer a section on the instrumentation, alternate tunings, set ups and personnel for this album? Robixsmash 20:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Bonus 4 Track-Live France Inter
There is a version of the album that includes 4 live recordings from "France Inter." Perhaps something that mentions this should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.175.134.83 (talk) 06:17, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Album Cover
There's no mention in this article of the fact that -on the cover- the t-shirt of the boy to the left has been signed by Thalia Zedek ("T.Z. / Come") and Chris Brokaw ("Chris B. / Come") of Come, an alternative rock band from the 1990s. This can be seen clearly in high definition scans of the cover. See: http://images.coveralia.com/audio/s/Sonic_Youth-Washing_Machine-Frontal.jpg Oulipal (talk) 23:41, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

This account of how the photo came to be acquired differs from the one Kim Gordon gives in her book, in which she says that she took the photo of herself. She also says the band did not have any way to contact the fans for permission to use their faces on the cover, and that's why the photo crops off the top part of their faces.216.13.162.126 (talk) 20:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Clarified. Gordon's memoir seems more convincing. Thanks. --Niwi3 (talk) 22:34, 23 March 2015 (UTC)