Talk:Washington State Route 410

References for the change
--NE2 14:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Walla Walla Union-Bulletin, Highway Designation Sought, April 23, 1967: the Washington Highway Commission chose the all-weather route for extending US 12 into Washington
 * Walla Walla Union-Bulletin, May 29, 1967: [this is about the Lewis and Clark Trail] "On eastbound trip following spring, the explorers traveled overland, crossed the Columbia near Wallula, struck off across land due eastward until they hit the Touchet, then followed that river to Dayton before turning over the hills to Pomeroy and thence along present U.S. 410 back to the Lewiston-Clarkston area. The highway designation of the 1961 Washington State legislature six years ago had this wording: "Beginning at a junction with primary state highway No. 1 in the city of Vancouver, thence on the routes of primary state Highways No. 8 and No. 3 via Kennewick, Walla Walla and Pomeroy to the Washington-Idaho state line at Clarkston." Reasoning behind the routing through Walla Walla at that time was to bring easterners through the historic Walla Walla Valley generally and especially to such historic points of national interest as Whitman Mission National Historic Site, Fort Walla Walla and other historic spots of interest."
 * Walla Walla Union-Bulletin, Highway 12 Route Will Run Through the City, June 22, 1967: "...from the Idaho border to the ocean, the American Association of State Highway Officials (AASHO) said Wednesday...The U. S. 12 designation was awarded to Washington over an application by Oregon for the route to the Pacific on the south side of the Columbia River."
 * Walla Walla Union-Bulletin, November 24, 1967: "The longest highway in the state is U.S. 410, which serves this area. Most of this road is to be re-numbered as U.S. 12, officials say. It gives the motorist a long ride, from Clarkston in the southeastern corner, to Aberdeen and the Grays Harbor area on the coast."
 * Walla Walla Union-Bulletin, Highway 410 is now U.S. No. 12, December 27, 1967: includes a photo of a sign being changed: "Former U.S. Highway 410 route signs were changed locally Tuesday to an official designation as U.S. Highway 12 rom Clarkston to Grays Harbor, completing the mid-west and western portion of an eventual route from the Atlantic to the Pacific...U.S. Highway 12 formerly extended from Detroit, Mich., to Lewiston, Idaho, proceeding west through Chicago, Minneapolis, South Dakota, a corner of North Dakota, the northern tier of Montana to Helena, then southwest across the Lolo Pass to Lewiston. The new portion of U.S. 12 begins at Clarkston and continues to Walla Walla, the Tri-Cities, Yakima and across the Cascades on White Pass to Interstate 5. U. S. Highway 410 was designated through Chinook Pass. U. S. 12 changes at the Grand Mound interchange and follows former State Highway 8 to Grays Harbor. Purpose of changing the highway number, said White, is to [?]" "...display the "old" and "new" number designations which changed U.S. Highway 410 to a link in a future U.S. 12 scenic transcontinental route." "A similar route from Detroit to a point on the Atlantic coast is being sought to complete transcontinental U.S. Highway 12."
 * Tri City Herald, Route 410 Renamed Highway 12, December 31, 1967: "Highway 410, which comes into the Tri-Cities across the Snake River Bridge from Burbank and extends on through Prosser, is now officially U.S. Highway 12...The highway, running from Clarkston to Grays Harbor, completes the mid-west and western portion of an eventual route from the Atlantic to the Pacific oceans. U.S. 12 formerly extended from Detroit to Lewiston, Idaho, proceeding west from Chicago, Minneapolis, South Dakota, a corner of North Dakota, the northern tier of Montana to Helena, then southwest across the Lolo Pass to Lewiston."
 * Walla Walla Union-Bulletin, Highway 410 Is Now Designated 12, February 12, 1968: "The U.S. 410 number was dropped by the American Association of State Highway Officials because the highway was almost entirely within Washington. The new number, U.S. 12, begins in Detroit and now continues westward through Minneapolis to the Grays Harbor area. Part of the change included the naming of U.S. 830 as State Highway 14. The remaining portion of U.S. 410 has been changed to State Highway 410 from Naches Junction over White Pass to Enumclaw, Tacoma and Olympia."
 * Walla Walla Union-Bulletin, U-B Action Line, September 29, 1968: "Why isn't highway 410 designated as such instead of just highway 12? This would help tourists immensly. Mrs. J.R. Answer: Since the route designation changes, highway 410 does not go through Walla Walla anymore. What is now marked as highway 12 IS highway 12, and so designated on 1968 road maps. Route 12 runs between Lewiston, Walla Walla, Yakima and over White Pass to Interstate 5. Route 410 now is between the junction northeasterly of Naches, over Chinook Pass to Puyallup and Tacoma, state Department of Highways Resident Engineer Orville Headding told Action Line."

U.S. Route 410

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no consensus. –  T M F 05:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't U.S. Route 410 have its own seperate article about its own history? All other defunct U.S. Routes do. ComputerGuy890100TalkPolls 23:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really; there are a lot of redirects in Category:Former U.S. Highways. Basically all information about the history of US 410 would be duplicated either here, in US 12, or in SR 8. --NE2 09:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * US 410 was split into six separately numbered highways when it was decommissioned. The information from US 410 could be split that way. Who wants to read 6 articles to find the information on one highway? I would retain a separate article for US 410 with appropriate inline links to successor highways. Sehome Bay (talk) 07:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I believe it would make sense to merge US 410 into WA 410 due to the common number. Whihe it was part of other routes, this would work as the best redirect target. For instance, U.S. Route 213 redirects to Maryland Route 213 even though much of the former US 213 is now US 50. ---Dough4872 16:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merging Chinook Scenic Byway
I would definitely support merging Chinook Scenic Byway into WA 410 as the entire byway follows that route and the current byway article is a stub that cannot be expanded much further. ---Dough4872 01:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Bridge accident
I get the whole WP:NOTNEWS and all that, but isn't a construction accident that kills three people at least worth a mention here? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:21, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd wait to see any lasting effects from the investigation (e.g. changes in WSDOT's policy on construction or contractors) before including it in here. It's still a bit too recent to tell.  Sounder Bruce  03:23, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * So, should we yank the bit about the 2009 landslide? It rerouted the highway for a couple years, but that had no real lasting effects. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:41, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It created a signed alternate route designated by WSDOT, which makes it notable on its own. It also permanently re-routed the roadway, which should be covered.  Sounder Bruce  04:22, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Still, the way I see it, it's fine to include it (the bridge) if we give it the proper weight, and I see one or two sentences as totally proper. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 12:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You may want to ask at WT:USRD for this particular one, I (personally) see it as borderline. --Rschen7754 13:26, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I would include both the landslide and the bridge accident. However, I would rewrite the bridge accident section entirely. Anyone can write that a chunk fell and people died, but that doesn't really tell our readers anything. I at least want to see how and why it happened. –Fredddie™ 00:45, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I think a couple sentences describing the bridge accident are worth including in this article as it is a notable event that has gotten significant media attention. However, we do not need to go overboard in covering every little detail of the accident. In addition, I think the detail and coverage of the mudslide is fine as that was a significant event that affected the route for a few years.  Dough   4872   01:09, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I would omit the bridge accident unless it results in some lasting change to the highway. The landslide has done that based on the above comments. However, it does not sound like the bridge accident will permanently change the highway, so it should be omitted from the article.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * A similar incident has been listed in Oklahoma State Highway 145 for years, although that incident spurred the state legislature to take action to increase DOT funding. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 09:19, 24 April 2015 (UTC)