Talk:Washington and Lee University/Archive 1

Non Incautus Futuri
Non incautus futuri has an article of its own. I don't think that it should. I propose that it be merged into this article. --AaronS 04:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. There's no point for a separate article.--thequackdaddy 01:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Crime Stats
There isn't really a page or reference I can find that compares various schools' crime statistics, but if you take a quick look at almost any school's crime report, nearly any school you pick will have higher crime rates, even after adjusting for student population.

For instance, see these statistics for campuses in similar settings:

Amherst- http://www.amherst.edu/~campuspolice/clery/clerycrimestats.html

Swarthmore- http://www.swarthmore.edu/Admin/publicsafety/pdfs/statistics.pdf

UVA- http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/casisUVA1.htm

Even Notre Dame- http://www.nd.edu/~ndspd/chart04.pdf

And EVEN Liberty University- http://www.liberty.edu/studentaffairs/deanofmen/index.cfm?PID=7309

These are all in relatively rural areas (and ND and Liberty are supposed to have particularly strict moral codes). Needless to say, schools in urban areas tend to have much more crime even after adjusting for population. I will remove the fact tag again tomorrow if I hear no objection here. KrazyCaley 19:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but that's original research. In order to show what you wish you would have to:
 * Define "crimes like theft"
 * Find a representative sample of Universities, than justify it as representative.
 * Find out their attendance during 2004.
 * Do the division.
 * Specify "much lower".
 * That's just too much original work. If you can find something, even a press release from W&amp;L, that says what you want it to say, you can cite that and put it up. If I hear no objection here, I will remove the sentence in question tomorrow. Jim Apple 20:34, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Point well-taken. I altered the language so that W&L's campus security page directly supports the new sentence. KrazyCaley 23:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but the security department page pointed to does not mention other schools, as far as I can see. Jim Apple 00:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

If it's any help--here's a pretty good schools crime stats page, maintained by the FBI: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_09.html#va Sadly, however, it doesn't list W&L, but you may be able to use it to compare similar schools.

Light Horse Harry Lee NOT Declaration Signer
Lighthorse Harry Lee was a Revolutionary War Hero, but he was NOT a signer of the Declaration of Independence. In fact Lighthorse Harry in his later years was considered a swindler, landed in debtors prison, then fled to the Caribbean.

The Lee relations who were DoI signers are the brothers Francis Lightfoot Lee and Richard Henry Lee. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pentagonbrat (talk • contribs) 20:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

Fair use rationale for Image:Farewell Young Lover.jpg
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link to bigsight.org alumni page
I am a W&L alum and added the link to http://bigsight.org/school/wlu because it has the most current information on recent alumni and students. Over 100 people are on this and each profile contains full information. My adding this link was not spam - it is a valuable resource for users and should be maintained. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clearmornings (talk • contribs) 06:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see Wikipedia's policy on external links and what Wikipedia is not. The information on that website is not encyclopedic and is not relevant to the content of the article, and thus there is no need to include it. Esrever (klaT) 07:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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General Cleanup
I've completely cited every single missing fact, except the one about the two black students who followed the first. Can someone please hunt that down and cite it?

Edit: there are more hanging sources, i'll try to correct them as i can.

Eckus (talk) 17:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Done a great job. The original problem was that the article "got long" before anyone started using footnotes at all. If you run across one that is of general use, please add. It can be named and used repetitively on other (general) statements. Even with the one missing citation supplied, the article would still woefully weak on references. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 00:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

new alum
I found the William McClung article in desperate need of work. He is an early graduate of W&L, so I thought someone familiar with this topic would want to take a look at it. Here's a good source I found.--Jwilkinsen Jr (talk) 22:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

US News Rankings
The article misquotes the US News rankings. Washington & Lee's undergraduate program is ranked #14 amongst Liberal Arts Colleges, not amongst National Universities. US News —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.103.47.190 (talk) 15:57, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I changed "universities" to "colleges." Will that do the trick? Student7 (talk) 18:29, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

2010 Reorganization
I have reorganized the article to conform to the Wikiproject University guidelines and have expanded the Administration, Research and Honor Code sections. Please continue to work on the article. If the footnotes were cleaned up, it could easily gain Good Article recognition. Racepacket (talk) 17:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Explanation of Selection of Robert E. Lee
The page needs to explain whether Lee is controversial on campus (maybe he's not) and why the school did not find it incongruous to add his name to that of Washington (maybe it did). The statement that "After the American Civil War, General Robert E. Lee turned down several financially tantalizing offers of employment that would merely have traded on his name" leaves a lot unsaid, such as how the school dealt with hiring a president who had been indicted on charges of treason or, for that matter, the fact that Lee had led an armed insurrection against the United States of America despite having served honorably as an officer in the U.S. Army. Lee seems to reversed course after the war to seek "reconciliation" and promote "honor," but stating that he did these things fails to handle his defining characteristic: he was the leader of the Confederate forces in the Civil War. Wakonda 20:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have the feeling this topic didn't make it in the article because Lee really isn't controversal on campus (not that I've noticed attending here anyway. I'm in my third year at the school of law).  It's in Lee's home state, so I don't think the Virginia school was too worried about accepting a man as president who had fought on their own side during the war (the North had ransacked the buildings during the war, supposedly saving the structures only because of the statute of "Old George," as we call it, on Washington Hall). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.171.72.48 (talk) 02:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Agreed - I'm a first year undergrad and I've heard abosolutely nothing about Lee being controversial.nlyons162 01:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The key point is that W&L is located in a rural section of Virginia that had strong pro-Confederacy sentiments. He remains highly-regarded throughout the southern United States. Racepacket (talk) 17:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

External links modified
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Kappa Alpha or Kappa Alpha Order?
I'm pretty confident that there is some confusion.

There are 2 fraternities in America with the name "Kappa Alpha." Here are the two websites I can give you.

http://www.kappaalphaorder.org/undergraduate/chapters/default.asp

http://www.ka.org/KA-chapters.html

Note that W&L is listed as the Alpha Chapter for Kappa Alpha Order and Kappa Alpha doesn't even have a chapter at W&L. As such, I'm pretty confident that the website you gave, is technically incorrect.

http://campuslife.wlu.edu/residential_life/upperclasshousing.html#Fraternity%20Houses

It may be called colloquially "Kappa Alpha," but that points to a different Wikipedia article. You will notice that Kappa Alpha does not point to Kappa Alpha Order. Further, the Alpha Chapter of Kappa Alpha is not Washington and Lee.

For this reason, I am reverting to previous version.

I see
Well, thank you for the links :) BMWman 01:47, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

Meriwether Lewis
You are free to hold whatever opinions that you like about Meriwether Lewis. Your personal opinions do not change that the book cited says "In 1793, Lewis graduated from Liberty Hall (now Washington and Lee University) and joined the Virginia militia." Abel (talk) 18:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)