Talk:Water Cube

Simplified/traditional Chinese
I changed the template thinking that was correct per the guidelines, but I'm not 100% sure the PRC falls outside of "territories where traditional characters are used." Please revert it and answer my question on the main stadium's article if I'm ignorant about usage or misunderstanding the guideline. Thanks, PhilipR (talk) 05:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The PRC invented simplified Chinese character set, so you can safely assume that this is the set in use for the Beijing Olympics. At the same time, however, traditional characters are creeping back into use as a style variant. Enquire (talk) 22:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Springboards?
Just out of curiousity, can anyone add details about the diving pool? I'm curious what the purpose is for the pair of springboards on one corner of the pool opposite of the main tower, as to how the tower is designed (for example, why there's a third 3m springboard next to the pair the synconized divers are using). TheHYPO (talk) 06:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

More details ?
I came to this page looking for some details about the dimensions of the pools, but there aren't many. For instance: "It is 1 meter deeper than most Olympic pools." I think this should be more complete, for instance "At 3 meters deep, It is 1 meter deeper than most Olympic pools, which are only 2 meters deep" (are those the dimensions ?). Length is obviously 50 meters, but is the width fixed by IOC rules ? 25 meters ? Or is it also wider than usual ? Also what are the dimensions of the pool used for the diving ? Rps (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 16:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I totally agree, these are important features of the water cube, and there are theories that the pools were deeper and wider contributes to the higher than usual number of records broken during the 2008 games. [User:Oscar Liu] December 10, 2008

Centre
Changing the occurrences of Center to Centre on the rationale that the IOC prefers this version seems rational enough. By the same token, shouldn't the article be moved (or moved back) to that name? - PhilipR (talk) 06:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Now just a moment.  I went ahead and made that change, based on the comment on the edit changing all of those to Centre.  Then I find that the English language official site uses Center.   ARRRRGH!  Still not sure how true it is that the IOC prefers Centre so I'm leaving it like this for now.  I'm sure someone will move back if I'm wrong.- PhilipR (talk) 06:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I changed it back. The correct spelling is "Center". Please leave it as it is. By the way, take a look at Bleedingshoes' "Contributions". S/he is a classic spelling vandalizer, and will likely soon be blocked from editing. Another point: there is no such thing as "International English". Samuel Webster (talk) 08:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

@Samuel Webster:

Please do not change the spelling to American English. The official English variant adopted by the IOC is British (UK) English. As you can see, the rest of the "centres" here are spelt the British way. Please do not be ignorant and change them to American English. On their official site they use "center" because the website is maintained by American-English speaking people. If you went and bought tickets from the official site, it is spelt "centre". What you see on television during a live broadcast, they also spelt the on-screen texts "centre". The texts are added on by BOB (Beijing Official Broadcasting) and not by the local broadcasters. This further backs the fact that British (UK) English is being utilised by the IOC. Please do not defame me as a spelling vandaliser. I know you would prefer everything to be in your spelling variant, but for this article and all other articles related to the Olympic Games, British English is used as the official spelling for the English language. Thank you.

Other users who feel that the change made to the National Aquatics Centre to American English is misleading, feel free to discuss here and if needed, revert back to British English. Bleedingshoes (talk) 19:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

In general, China uses American English spelling, so in this particular case, I would tend to go for the "Center" option. --Muchado (talk) 09:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Spelling revert to "centre"
The spelling of "centre" is reverted back to British English.


 * This revert is made because the official English variation used by the IOC (International Olympic Committee) is British English. See Manual of Style. All articles on Wikipedia should follow this guideline.


 * The above article states that the IOC, an International Organisation, uses the British English system, in additional, the suffix -ise is adopted.


 * The article of the National Aquatics Centre of China falls under the IOC standards. Therefore, British spelling is used for consistency and accuracy.


 * Please do not alter the spelling variation on this article, as well as other articles related to the IOC. This can be further backed by the live television broadcasts' on-screen texts, examples include the "National Aquatics Centre", as well as "Synchronised Diving".

Personally, I am not against American English and anyone who chooses to utilise it. However, It is unjust to change different spelling variations to American English, and ignoring the fact that some articles, like this one, should be kept to the standards set. Further more, accusing someone vandalising for correcting spelling on articles shows the lack of willingness to understand the existence and the wide usage of British English daily throughout the world. Please contribute to build this article, rather than fighting over and correcting the spelling.

Bleedingshoes (talk) 20:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Does the manual of style provide any evidence to support its assertion that the IOC uses British English?   Even if it does, the official Olympics web site clearly uses Center.   Therefore IMO the burden of proof is on you not only to show that the IOC favors your preferred spelling, but also that BOCOG, the Chinese government, or someone with authority over the building itself also favors it.   The building has a scope beyond the Olympics.   It's an Olympic venue but the IOC doesn't really have jurisdiction over the building.  By your rationale, Georgia Tech Campus Recreation Center would need to be moved to Georgia Tech Aquatic Centre because the IOC holds jurisdiction over an Olympic venue in the United States.   AFAICT the Chinese organizers have clearly chosen the version they prefer. - PhilipR (talk) 21:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you, PhilipR. I'm trying to assume good faith, but it's difficult in the case of Bleedingshoes, who is so blatantly violating WP's guidelines that it's hard to know how to respond. Can an admin or other adult step in here? Thanks, --Samuel Webster (talk) 22:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't really understand how you're assuming good faith. (I looked at Bleedingshoes' contributions and didn't see what you're referring to.)  AFAICT there's a plausible, if wrong, reason to think that the IOC spelling should prevail.   Ultimately the building doesn't belong to the IOC though.   I don't think we can assume good faith after further reverts, though, because the consensus is emerging that the spelling used on the Web site should prevail.   I'd suggest that Bleedingshoes follow a formal dispute resolution process if he or she still wants to dispute this consensus. - PhilipR (talk) 15:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)  (EDIT: Never mind, I missed that this was already part of a formal process. - 16:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC))

Usually, I'm all for articles using the internationally used spelling ("centre"), but in this case, the official site uses "center". It's pretty clear cut - the American spelling should be used for this article. -- Chuq (talk) 00:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. For the record, "center" is used internationally, slightly more so, in fact, than "centre" :) But that's a small matter. (And you might not mean "internationally," but rather "within the former British Empire, where English is the primary language.) Samuel Webster (talk) 09:48, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Venice Biennale quote
However, I'm fairly confident the word in this quote was changed to Center. The design was originally submitted by the Australian architects, and it's clear from their site that they use Centre. So I would be surprised if the jury for the Biennale somehow foreknew what BOCOG would call it! I'm all for standardization but let's not change direct quotations. However, I can't seem to find a link for that quotation. Anyone? - PhilipR (talk) 21:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Building Lifecycle
There is nothing so far in the article itself to indicate if this is a permanent structure on not. If it is permanent, perhaps there should be some comment on the future needs for ongoing maintenance of the building membrane. Enquire (talk) 22:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it is permanent, but is no longer a swimming pool. --Muchado (talk) 09:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

slicing through bubbles in soap foam
"The complex Weaire–Phelan pattern was developed by slicing through bubbles in soap foam" - no it wasn't. Anyone object if I change this? The referenced article seems to make it clear that the Weaire-Phelan pattern was generated by a computer program. The thing about soap bubbles is that they naturally assume the best close-packing arrangement. However, in order to generate the Weaire-Phelan pattern in soap bubbles, you would have to make all of your bubbles exactly the same size in an infinite continuum.... --Muchado (talk) 09:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Water Cube
I removed the reference to the Water Cube being called [H2O]3 because it was sourced to the caption of an image, which is not a reliable source. A Google search turned up no hits for it from a reliable source either. If someone is interested in restoring the reference to the article, please find a citation from a reliable source to support it. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz)  (talk / cont)  17:59, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

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