Talk:Waterford Crystal

Countries of origin of Waterford Crystal today
I am surprised that there is very little mention of Waterford Crystal manufacturing leaving Ireland for other countries and the reason(s) why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.14.11 (talk) 13:28, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * don't be surprised, this page is part of the Waterford Crystal Marketing Machine. 68.174.97.122 (talk) 15:48, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I went to buy the lismore ships decanter in Toronto Canada yesterday. I for some reason thought the $500 and above items were made in ireland. Turns out not. Slovakia. The lady at teh till had 1 old decanter from 2010 stock (priced the same as the slovakia one) and there were ridiculous differences that should be talked about in the article. Not only were the cuts much deeper on the Irish made one, but when you flipped the stoppers and looked through the crystal, you could see refraction (rainbowy colours) through the Irsih one and it was really clear, and the Slovakia one had almost no refraction. My suspicion is either lower quality crystal or faster, less proper technique. Both were selling at the same price. Which one do you think I bought? CivEngAlyssa (talk) 15:15, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

your criticisms of my edits are Orwellian: "traditional" Waterford Crystal is a modern marketing invention
Marketing people from Waterford Crystal, named after a town called Waterford, spend money creating an image for the product that it has a long tradition in the town dating back 200 years. That's their marketing POV. It is my NPOV that we should cite all facts as we find them, and cite what is the truth, and especially when they conflict, juxtapose the two. The company and the crystal do not date back even beyond WWII. But I'm getting reverted. It is the POV of the reverters that the wiki page should not help educate the reader to separate the mix of fact and hyperbole they will encounter. All over wikipedia we see marketing drones sneak in to clean up any truth that they find inconvenient. And who else would monitor the Waterford Crystal page to preserve the integrity of the Waterford Co. marketing hype. 68.174.97.122 (talk) 15:46, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Here is perfect evidence of user 155blue working to support marketing hype over the truth: I did not make this edit that 155blue corrected, somebody else did. There is no justification for 155blue's edit. A crystal business was originally founded, but 155blue finds that accurate "word choice" to be too close to the truth, that Waterford Crystal does not trace its roots back to auld Eire. 68.174.97.122 (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I removed this sentence because it is a falsehood: "Waterford City has been the home of Waterford Crystal since 1783." The article is about a company, "a manufacturer" called "Waterford Crystal". It was founded after WWII, and was not based on any tradition of a crystal making workforce in the town. It even says this already farther down it the article, the lede should not invent facts that conveniently support a marketing POV 68.174.97.122 (talk) 16:00, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Waterford Markings
I have an item that is not watermarked Waterford but has a round green & yellow sticker on it saying Waterford Made in Ireland. Can anyone tell me about this? (50.160.56.21 (talk) 23:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC)).

What item is it? I have read that if the item is numbered, ie, there is a number on the flip side, that it is made in Ireland. If not, it is likely it is made in Slovakia or Czech. I think even Poland is making some of their stuff now. Where did you buy it? And when? It is possible it is old stock from the factory in Waterford that was just sitting around in the store where you bought it and you lucked out. CivEngAlyssa (talk) 15:17, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

glass product history and markings
Please add details about the various glass products made over the years, and particularly details/images about how they were marked.-71.174.183.90 (talk) 21:03, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

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Warerford's marketing department is still trying to be clever
This section in the history makes no sense, other than their still attempting to give the false impression that the company is ancient;

Early crystal production The origins of crystal production in Waterford date back to 1783[2] when George and his nephew William Penrose started their business. It produced extremely fine flint glass that became world-renowned. Their Waterford company closed in 1851, and re-opened 100 years later.[3]

This is an obvious attempt to give the impression of a continuity that in no way exists 'their Waterford company' (which even had a different name) and stating that the company re-opened 100 years later appears to be a simple, blatant lie. The very next section is completely clear that the company created after WW2 has no relationship to the earlier company, other than it being in the same location. The new creators were not Irish, and they did not employ local talent.

I'll leave it to someone with the patience to keep an eye on the article to make the actual edit, as this talk appears to suggest the company will only revert any changes I make.Adagio67 (talk) 12:43, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I would also question the reliability of the reference (2) it is to the web site of an antique dealer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adagio67 (talk • contribs) 12:54, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see you have never edited the article itself. So I do not know why you claim the company will revert your edits. For the rest: give sources for your claims. The Banner  talk 13:05, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I bought a large 1981 book on Waterford Glass some time ago and intend to do something about the history section but, despite confinements, have not had the time to devote to it yet. Obviously there is a big piece missing between 1947 and 1970 which was really their hayday when they sold a lot in the US. Perhaps it even calls for an article Glassmaking in Ireland or Irish glass, while this article would only deal with the actual modern enterprises and a short precis of the forerunners in the city. ww2censor (talk) 14:11, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * my comment about the company's marketing department reverting edits is based on earlier postings in this talk section regarding their behaviour. Adagio67 (talk) 09:55, 24 February 2021 (UTC)