Talk:Waymo/Archives/2017

Monthly Crash Reports
The citation/link for the monthly crash reports is now incorrect, it leads to a Waymo landing page. I don't know if Google/Waymo will continue to publish the reports and if they do, where they'll be located. Either way, the Crashes section needs updating. --SnowmanJames (talk) 15:24, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 13 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved.  Λυδ α  cιτγ  21:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Google self-driving car → Waymo – Google's self driving car project was a part of X, a subsidiary of Alphabet. It has been spun out into it's own company under the Alphabet umbrella. For this reason, the title of the article must be changed to Waymo. Thunderbolt.wiki (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Support Seems reasonable to me. -- The Anome (talk) 21:53, 13 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename and move. Per WP:NAMINGCRITERIA, the renamed title Waymo is precise (Waymo is the company name and therefore unambiguous), natural (the spinoff is named Waymo and the cars bear this badge), and concise (the project has an official name now, so "Google self-driving car" does not need to be written out completely, even if it were accurate). Furthermore, the project has not been a part of Google since X split out of the company, and the Google nomenclature has officially been removed. While it may be likely that people will search for "Google self-driving car" still, I believe it is better moving forward to rename and redirect from the previous name, and make a note in the first sentence of the article, i.e. "Waymo, formerly the Google Self-Driving Car project, ...". -Metropantograph (talk) 21:54, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy Move -- this is accurate, supported by reliable sources, and not likely to be contested in any way. Tiggerjay (talk) 22:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename/move this is very accurate and the new article should just retain mentions that Waymo was formerly Google's self-driving car. Ferrari250 (talk) 00:31, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy Move The name of the company has changed, so the article name should follow. --Frmorrison (talk) 16:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support Daylen (talk) 16:25, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support with some structural changes to the prose, to change it from talking about a project to about a company which is undertaking said project. -- Natural  R X 16:29, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


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Licensing vs. Transportation as a service
The opening of the article states:

"This move represents a pivot of sorts as Google moves to license its self-driving technology to third-party companies including automakers and ride-hailing firms as opposed to building their own transportation as a service company."

What is the citation for this? In the today's blog post from the CEO, it is stated that "We can see our technology being useful in personal vehicles, ridesharing, logistics, or solving last mile problems for public transport" but also that "Our next step as Waymo will be to let people use our vehicles to do everyday things like run errands, commute to work, or get safely home after a night on the town." From what I can see, there's equal reasoning to guess either a licensing or first-party approach, and there has not been any official statement for which route Waymo will be taking. -Metropantograph (talk) 04:16, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I've removed the sentence, as this was an uncited claim into their business strategy, and I have been unable to find a citation. I will continue to look for one, and the original author is, of course, welcome to revert the edit given they can find a citation. -Metropantograph (talk) 14:21, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Bad page move
I don't like the page move, because this article is not about the company (compare Tesla) but about its one and only project: trying to build an autonomous car that doesn't require a driver. Can we please split this article into two parts:
 * 1) Waymo, about the company itself
 * 2) Google Self-Driving Car Project, about Google/Alphabet's efforts to field a completely self-driving car

One of my concerns is that the press almost always refers to Google's semi-autonomous test vehicles as "self-driving", although they all carry a test driver and are actually being driven by a human up to 20% of the time. The article and its title should reflect this fact - not hide it. --Uncle Ed (talk) 16:38, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Possible spin-off
Almost all of this article is about Waymo's Self-driving car project. And nearly all of that project was carried on when the project was a unit of Google.

I'd like to divide the article into
 * 1) the company itself (i.e., Waymo); and,
 * 2) its self-driving car project

I might just get started, since I don't anticipate any objections; I mean it's not political like Michael Brown (Ferguson incident), is it? --Uncle Ed (talk) 16:37, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Not a credible source for 2020 date
The source says Google says, but doesn't state context. There are other contradictory references, for example on Waymo fact it says the following:
 * Our next step will be to let people trial fully self-driving cars to do everyday things like run errands or commute to work.

https://waymo.com/faq/ I've removed it from the intro. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 07:43, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Collaboration with Lyft?
Worth mentioning the potential collaboration of Waymo and Lyft? https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/14/lyft-and-waymo-to-team-up-on-self-driving-cars/ Michael Ten (talk) 20:35, 12 July 2017 (UTC)