Talk:Wayne Corporation

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A few suggestions for getting to WP:GA: I haven't read the whole article, but if I get a moment later I might go through and make a few cosmetic changes. You might like to try Peer review for further ideas. Joe D (t) 00:46, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * References: the article was based on more than just the safety link, right? References should be cited within the text, e.g. with tags.
 * Too many sections: some of the subsections are short and shouldn't be split from the parent section.
 * A little long (but acceptable): you could solve this problem and the one above by using Summary style.
 * The whole thing is organised chronologically which isn't necessarily the most logical layout, though since I know little about the subject I'll stay out of that.
 * Some of the links are duplicated many times, notably Richmond, Indiana. After the first mention you can drop the link, and unless the context is ambiguous you don't need to keep repeating the state.
 * Thanks, Vaoverland

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Re-working the article
I just wanted to explain the reasoning behind some of why I tagged the article in places. As it is mentioned in other places on the talk page, it is a bit on the long side (there is plenty of information and I won't complain about that).

I do have a couple of proposals, though:
 * The Wayne Busette has its own article, so it's probably time to start one on the Lifeguard (and possibly the Lifestar). That way, the article can be edited for length without deleting any content (it gets shifted to these articles).
 * The content dedicated to professional cars/hearses, ambulances, and Divco trucks is located in the right place in the article chronologically but is this really supposed to read like a story? (that is why I put the tags on)

All in all, the Wayne article is still the most thoroughly-written article on a school bus manufacturer on Wikipedia. SteveCof00 (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It's certainly thorough, but it also consists almost entirely of original research, which isn't a particularly good thing. If the original research was removed, the article would be much, much shorter than it is now. –BMRR (talk) 19:54, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * To clarify, the article does not consist of original research. Rather, when most of it was written a number of years ago, applicable Wikipedia criteria did not use the much-higher source and reference protocols which we do now. This same situation is also true of a number of the older articles in WP. I have found that it is difficult and even tedious to go back years later and update the sources item by item with footnotes, even when the list of sources is provided at the end, as was the WP policy at that time. Hopefully, ongoing editing by our growing number of contributors (following current source and reference criteria of course) will at least gradually overcome this flaw in the integrity of this and many other articles. Vaoverland (talk) 21:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * If I understand this correctly, there may be a way to reference the content in the article without having to add hundreds of footnotes from just a source or two. General reference sources appears to cover how to do this.   I hope this helps with things.  SteveCof00 (talk) 05:32, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Splitting things up
Recently, I just gave the Wayne Lifeguard its own article...it probably needs a little editing work, but for the most part it is ok. I just created a page for the Lifestar, but I haven't moved it into articlespace just yet, as it needs some sorting out to be done to it before that can happen. Once there are meaningful sub-articles to the main Wayne page, then that can be pared down a bit. SteveCof00 (talk) 04:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * As the Lifeguard, Busette, and Lifestar all have their own article space now, I edited their content on the main paige here for length a bit (as their is a link to their main article about them out in the open); it should reduce the scrolling a little. --SteveCof00 (talk) 10:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Expanding things It looks like the Crown by Carpenter content was expanded recently.  It looks to work out well, although the only thing is that it's all here and not on the Carpenter page yet.  Rather than cutting things down,  I think a  link would work nicely as soon as the respective content is included there.   --SteveCof00 (talk) 05:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Finishing things
For the most part, the article's reformatting is mostly done with one minor exception which I am posing here first for discussion. The subsections with content about the development of school bus yellow and school bus warning light systems are fairly well-developed. There is one small problem...as written, they don't seem to have anything to do with Wayne Corporation history. These would be good candidates for deletion unless they have something that needs to be tied in with the company history. As the article re-formatting is mosrly done now, it is best to get started on improving the verifiability of the article.

Other things that might need to be done in the long-term:


 * Free-use images for the Lifestar, Papoose, and Busette


 * Information about the Wayne Chaperone and RD-9000 (sure, the latter had "groundbreaking features", but the article doesn't answer the question of what they are.)


 * The Crown by Carpenter content is now migrated to the Carpenter page, so its length here can be cut down a bit.


 * Anything else that is up for suggestion.

I'll try to keep working on this page some more in the future. --SteveCof00 (talk) 09:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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Explanation of reconstruction
For the most part, what I tried to do was better adapt some of the earlier content into the timeline, as well as source things a bit better. As some of this content is somewhat irreplaceable, I tried to preserve what I can and limit the changes to what i said above, and make some MOS adaptations and citations. In addition, there are some relevant photos that have been added to the Commons more recently since this article has been worked on.

This still needs a little bit of work to go, though. --SteveCof00 (talk) 10:41, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

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