Talk:Wayne Rooney/Archive 3

News of The World controversy
The News of The World controversy has not yet been mentioned on the page. I think this should be added to the "Personal Life" section.

I agree, it should be in there. At this point it should be prefixed as allegations. The situation as been both mentioned my his manager and almost all sports commentators. I am not sure why this isn’t in, the flimsy excuse that this is just allegations and not proven is poor and not inline with many other articles about sports stars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.55.196.242 (talk) 06:32, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

CK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.181.16.158 (talk) 11:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Which century?
The sentence "On 30 January 2009, three days on from their victory over Hull, he grabbed another goal in United's 5-0 thrashing of Wigan in their final game of the century."

should be replaced with "On 30 January 2009, three days on from their victory over Hull, he grabbed another goal in United's 5-0 thrashing of Wigan."

(It is factually incorrect to refer to a century ending then. The previous one ended nine years before). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.3.255.103 (talk) 18:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Needs correcting to decade not century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.104.165.132 (talk) 12:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

And January needs correcting to December! db1987db (talk) 10:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Information missing, please fix
from the article: "In April 2006, he was awarded £100,000 in libel damages from tabloids The Sun and News of the World, who had claimed that he had assaulted her in a nightclub. Rooney donated the money to charity.[3]"

Who is 'her'?

Trefalcon (talk) 12:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Phoney Euro 2008 template
Somebody has vandalised the Euro 2004 template at the bottom of the article amongst the navigation boxes. I would fix it if I knew how; but bringing it to the attention of somebody who knows how is the next-best thing. All of the links are mixed up and don't link to the right players. - esp —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC).

Career injury history
Rooney has been prone to foot injuries, made infamous during Englands last major International Tournament where he was a bit-part player due to being selected when not 100% fit.

Rooneys latest injury set back was caused against Reading on the opening day of the 2007-2008 Premiership season. Under a challange from Michael Duberry he suffered a hairline fracture of the left foot and is due to be out for 4-6 weeks. He was also injured for about 4 weeks in November 2007 after injuring himself in training while playing "head tennis". Seymour69er 18:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thought this could go in, about where he broke his foot --Franco Zagagagoria (talk) 11:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Dynamo Brownwings?
Surely that's not a real team name —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.163.53.22 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 14 August 2007

A quick google search reveals countless mentions of the “Dynamo Brownwings” but all of them with some reference to Rooney seemingly copied verbatim from the Wikipedia article. If you search for ‘”Dynamo Brownwings” -Rooney’ (sans single quotes) you get no results at all. All we need now is for someone to add a citation linking to a newspaper article that copied this information from Wikipedia and it's fact! Jmorkel (talk) 15:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Very factual... NOT
The date is the 16th September and I have just been reading the Disciplinary Action section. It seems some Portuguese idiot has said that the English always look for an excuse or some deluded shit like that. Portugal are a crap team of divers. With our magnificent Owen injured and our brilliant Rooney sent off you still couldn't beat us in normal time or extra time. To the person who wrote that crap about England, first learn proper grammar before you post it on a Wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.95.3 (talk) 08:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

You still had Franko the Clown though! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.172.245 (talk) 11:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Portugal did progress though, thats the important thing --86.149.46.20 15:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Repeated
Riveness 14:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC) England goals section has repeated entries. Too games against Crotia and Switzerland on the same days?
 * No, he scored two goals in each of those matches, so he gets two entries in the table. -- Arwel (talk) 00:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Out of date
I think the whole part about where he played with van Nistelrooy should be changed as it's a bit out of date now. Something like "He usually played as a second striker to Louis Saha for his club team however the 07/08 season has seen him playing in a more centre forward role with new signing Carlos Tevez playing as second striker" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy86 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I definately agree- who he used to play with 3 years ago surely isn't something that should be in the main introduction/description of his playing postion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by jamh2000 (talk • contribs) 13:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.243.253.217 (talk)

Any updates on the 2008/09 season? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.130.217 (talk) 12:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Rooney's sponsorship deals
Is it worth mentioning that Rooney's vast wealth comes partly from 'human rights friendly' Coca Cola and Nike? Would it be worth adding a section called 'HOW Wayne's Sponsor's are able to pay one person so much money', or maybe one called 'Is Wayne Rooney tarnished by his sponsorship deals?' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.74.167.59 (talk) 03:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This sounds like a bitter Everton fan to me. What about Beckham? What about all the "celebs" who get paid silly money to advertise products which they probably don't even use? Andy86 (talk) 15:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that basic comment, I don't support a football team but I can tell you do.

I added this because some Wayne Rooney fans like yourself might also be unaware of Nike and Coca Cola's history of alleged child labour, and workers' rights abuses. Some Wayne Rooney fans might be concerned that their hero appears to be supporting companies who have exploited poor countries in the past. Maybe Wayne himself is completely unaware of where his advertising money comes from and if he knew, would worry his image might suffer?

One inference Roonyites could make is that because Wayne advertises Nike; he is in favour of cheap child labour used for stitching Nike football boots. Another inference one could make is: 'Because Wayne drinks Coke, he is in favour of Coca Cola polluting water supplies in India and smashing trade union groups in Colombia' (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Coca-Cola) I doubt Wayne is in favour of any of this but you could see how fans might be confused. It could also be argued that if Wayne Rooney is so wealthy that he could stop advertising for Nike and Coca Cola and it would not financially cripple him - but he chooses to accumulate even more.

In defence of Wayne, I will point out that he will probably give more money to charity and deserving causes than you, me, or anyone reading this article will. It may even be argued that Wayne is taking from the rich (Nike and Coke) and giving to the poor (SOS and UNICEF). Therefore the main article should also include a section about the large amount of charity work he does.

But my original point was: If Wayne is paid millions of pounds to adveritse an immorally produced product; then does this make him look immoral too? After all it is not only his appualingly aggressive temperament on the football pitch, which will shape young people's opinion of him.


 * Personally, I dont see why we should include sponsorship information unless something extremely controversal come up. Rooney isn't the only famous person in the planet. Almost celebrities out there has a sponsor. With globalization, almost every major company out there are either doing something immoral, or doing business with someone who are doing something immoral. I think any reader who are honest with themselves know that [insert any celebrity's name] is probably being sponsored by an immoral company.Elsonlam1 (talk) 05:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Irish ancenstry
I've heard from several sources that Wayne Rooney has stong Irish roots. Wondering if this is true, and if so noteworthy.Alexsanderson83 (talk) 19:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It has been said that Wayne's brother has elected to play for Ireland; I don't think that can happen because all Wayne's grandparents were born in England. Brakn (talk) 17:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

he has irish roots and so does steven gerrard and michael owne and kevin nolan
 * Can you prove that? – PeeJay 19:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I think his name and face do a fairly good job of that, actually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.108.189 (talk) 22:00, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

GCSEs
The referenced article does not actually say that Rooney achieved any GSCE's. just that Colleen scored higher than him in all of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.10.238 (talk) 23:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Addition of Rooney interview
I'd like to add this Wayne Rooney interview to the external links section:

http://fourfourtwo.com/interviews/webexclusives/105/article.aspx

What does everyone else think? Football nut (talk) 11:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Playing position
I changed playing position from "second striker" in "striker" because he, that also can play as second striker, usally plays centre forward and somethimes is the only pure forward in the starting 11 of Manchester Utd. Swirlan --Swirlan (talk) 12:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Rooney is clearly a second striker who is currently being used further forward. Most of the time his role as a striker is only nominal at best. If Rooney was a striker then why is Man Utd constantly linked with big name strikers each and every season? Why would they also hold onto Saha despite him being a complete crock? I've reverted the edit or at least I would have done so had I been able to log in. Someone else will need to revert it until I can figure out what the problem is... --83.67.93.112 (talk) 19:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

It should be changed to simply 'striker'. he played a striker role against arsenal in the 4-0 FA cup victory, and was brilliant, so saying his role is nominal is untrue. his best position is in fact as a second striker, but he is in fact a striker. the fact that man united are linked with big name strikers every year is that journalists who think they know more than sir alex ferguson seem to believe united need one, when in fact they can play very well without one. 86.14.244.186 (talk) 11:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Error
Help! can someone revert my edit as i have messed up the page by trying to delete accrington stnaley from wayne rooneys current club! sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kourosh1992 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I reverted it, but there is still some errors in the box. thelastone36 (talk) 15:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Why did you delete my posts with all of his assists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurtis desai (talk • contribs) 23:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Assist table
Someone should get to work on getting an Assist table up for Rooney, considering that he collects a fair few. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.151.226 (talk) 18:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Would it be entirely useful though? In general, the most used, and looked-at stats, are appearances and goals scored. Bringing assists into it would lead to debate about what is considered an assist and what isn't. Appearances and goals are far more clear cut, I think assists would just complicate matters. Pullshapes (talk) 00:36, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Assists are becoming much more frequently used in judging a player's ability, especially second strikers like Rooney and Tevez, whose abilities will never be accurately reflected by goals/games. The Premier League has an official assists table and ESPN covers assists in its stats pages (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=21046&cc=5739). As long as the assists are well sourced, there's no reason not to include them. Wiki should be comprehensive. 78.86.168.169 (talk) 23:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC).


 * Rooney actually doesn't have many assists, and rarely features in the Premier League top 10. Stating the fact that he only actually has 7 assists in the last 2 years, hardly makes much of a statement —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.128.223.67 (talk) 15:00, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, Rooney's premier league assist totals for the last 4 seasons, as per his ESPN player profile page (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=21046&cc=5901), are 10 (2005/06), 11 (2006/07), 13 (2007/08) & 7 (2008/09). Other sources may have slightly different numbers. These are high numbers for a striker. It would be useful to highlight this other dimension og the player's ability. --87msa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87msa (talk • contribs) 04:00, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect total career goals
The total career goals scored by Rooney is 94, not 93. 84.127.225.240 (talk) 10:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

and he scored 2 intl goals against kazakhstan on the 11 of october —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.94.208 (talk) 03:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Council estates

 * Since he was underage at the time and therefore ineligible for a professional contract, he was playing for £80 a week and living with his family on one of the country's council estates.

One of the country's council estates?? That should be one of the city's (i.e. Liverpool's) council estates, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.12.245 (talk) 22:58, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Picture needs to be changed
seriously, what would his fans think of him when they, for some reason, visited this page =D Thetrueseto (talk) 07:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * main picture of page is outdated ,add new from this link

http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/First-Team/Wayne-Rooney.aspx# Sarthaku (talk) 06:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

– HonorTheKing (talk) 06:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The point on the picture is not to change everytime he will change his hair, or the team change the kits, But if you do have a picture that you have taken yourself, and not took from a website than you can upload it and update the article picture.

thefa.com link
the link to Rooney's profile on the TheFa.com website is out of date. This is the current one: Rooney's TheFA.com Profile 86.5.96.179 (talk) 23:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Add profile to external links
suggest add good in-depth profile at http://www.contacttheplayers.com/profiles/wayne-rooney/314.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Footballprofiles (talk • contribs) 16:40, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be a spam link as it does not add anything, or expand on anything not found in the article. Regards, Woody (talk) 16:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Number of goals are wrong
rooney has scored 97 goals for manchester united, not 65 as the box in the right hand corner states 92.9.42.30 (talk) 03:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Goals are correct. See the note at the bottom of the infobox. "Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only and correct as of..." – LATICS   talk  07:03, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

whats the point in just having league games only when he can play in just as many games in the various cup competitions 92.9.42.30 (talk) 04:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't ask me, I didn't create the infobox. Ask at WP:FOOTY or the the template talk page if you wish to inquire. But, let me also add that there is a stats table that shows all of Wayne Rooney's appearances and goals. – LATICS   talk  04:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * He's scored 97 in all competitions (available at the bottom. The info box only relates to league games. It hardly matters, as it would just be 97 in about 300 games, rather than 67 in 190 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.128.223.67 (talk) 15:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Rooney now has won three titles with United
Can anyone update this information?

Thanks Catusf (talk) 18:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Wrong date
Just noticed that his 16th and 17th international goal was dated on the 11th October 2008 and not the 12th. --92.0.136.78 (talk) 00:20, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Here is the link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_-_UEFA_Group_6#England_v_Kazakhstan --92.7.3.88 (talk) 13:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Height
176 cm according to man utd official site. Brilliantine (talk) 21:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 5'10" according to the 2008-09 and 2009-10 editions of the Sky Sports Football Yearbook and the PFA Footballers' Who's Who. – PeeJay 22:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * with respect, they are wrong and 176 is the correct height.The Man Utd official site supercedes Sky Sports/PFA in terms of reliability. Should be changed. --94.195.129.125 (talk) 14:40, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Who says that the Man Utd site supersedes the PFA Who's Who or the Sky Sports Yearbook? They are all as reputable as each other. – PeeJay 22:08, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Since the Man Utd figures are taken from player medicals they are evidently going to be more accurate. There was a few years ago a tendency for teams to overstate the height of footballers but by and large this is now being corrected. I presume a lot of the figures you see in yearbooks are relics of this. Either that, or there is a focus on selling the books in the US where people seem a bit more obsessive about precise physical characteristics of sports stars. --94.195.129.125 (talk) 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * But how do you know that the club's website takes its data from the player's medical examinations? – PeeJay 19:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course I have no way of proving this but seriously, where else would they take them from? Of course it's going to be measured at a medical exam. If they have this data why would they use some other random piece of data? In any case it's patently false that he's 5 ft 10. If you look at pictures of the Man Utd team he is a touch shorter than the 177cm Park (who is also wrongly listed on here) and a touch taller than the 175cm Nani.--94.195.129.125 (talk) 14:13, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Dynamo Brownings Again
This was brought up here in 2007 but is still in the article. Are there any sources to confirm that he played for this team (or that the team even exists)? Google has nothing on Dynamo Brownings except in reference to rooney (presumably copied from wikipedia). Can anyone with a copy of his autobiography confirm whether or not the team is mentioned there? If not then I think that this needs to be removed from the article. Mah favourite (talk) 02:16, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

No of appreances and goals
Wayne Rooney appearance as of date for manchester united 256 and goals 109 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Somilshah (talk • contribs) 14:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * What's your point? The stats table is up to date, and the infobox is only for league appearances. – PeeJay 17:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

League Cup
He won it in 08/09 as well, why is it not there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurtis desai (talk • contribs) 23:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC) < --Autosigned by SineBot-->
 * Because he didn't win it in 2008-09. He wasn't in the squad for the final, so he never won a medal for that competition. – PeeJay 01:23, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Everton at risk of administration
The article states that "At the time of the signing, Everton were close to administration and needed money to stay afloat." This is both against NPOV and has no citation. Someone should either add a citation from an authoritative source, or an editor should remove. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.252.64.1 (talk) 10:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * As an Everton fan i think it is also a bit far fetched, Everton were not close to administration - clearly we wanted to keep him but financially it made Everton better off - but Everton were not clost to administration no needed the money to "stay afloat" - this is nonsense. 89.241.20.133 (talk) 18:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I've made an amendment to the text - although i have also removed the additional information about £10m being paid off as this has no verification and again it mentions keeping off administration - Everton were never in that positionBabydoll9799 (talk) 18:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Rooney's United goal tally
For some reason his career tally is 86, even though back in August this summer he scored his 100th United goal, not to mention the fact that United's website has him at 120 goals so far. This absolutely needs to be changed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.238.52.83 (talk) 07:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No, the infobox shows only league goals. There is no need to change anything. – PeeJay 09:35, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Career appearance
Current career appearance listed as 249, this is incorrect it is 348, verified by BBC website and by adding the individual appearances already in the table Bassadams 10:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bassadams (talk • contribs)
 * Where does it say he's only made 249 career appearances? Sure, it says he's made 249 LEAGUE appearances, but it is quite clear that his overall career appearances come to a total of 349. – PeeJay 12:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Noted, my bad 16:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bassadams (talk • contribs)

"He is frequently selected for the England squad and also featured in the 2006 World Cup."
Can't we do a bit better than that? Multiple pundits and journalists have claimed him to be England's key player, why is this not mentioned?

In fact the whole international section is out of date. Odd that nothing's been added in four years despite him being top scorer in world cup qualifying, earning his 50th cap and captaining the side against Brazil. Perhaps also mention his goal drought in competitive internationals between Euro 2004 and the Estonia match in October 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihfiua (talk • contribs) 22:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Infobox image
Does anyone else find the current image used in the infobox, File:Wayne Rooney vs Everton 2009.jpg, to be a rather poor choice? There's been a lot of switching around of images recently, perhaps we could decide here what image is best. JACO PLANE  • 2010-04-16 18:25


 * How about adding an image in the 2009-10 section, there are many available at commons.-- Managerarc   (talk)  15:04, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. JACO  PLANE  &bull; 2010-04-19 14:39

Appearances
Do the appearances include being a substitute aswell? --92.3.255.9 (talk) 23:34, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. – PeeJay 23:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Rooney´s red card during the World Cup 2006
The article states "Rooney was red-carded in the 62nd minute of the quarterfinal for stamping on Portugal defender Ricardo Carvalho as both attempted to gain possession of the ball, an incident that occurred right in front of referee Horacio Elizondo." In fact, this sentence is totally contrary to what has really happened, as proven by various video records of the incident. Carvalho was lying helpless on his back, perhaps already injured, when Rooney deliberately kicked or stomped into Carvalho´s groins, balls or whatever you name it. Stupid enough, this happened just in front of the referee. Needless to ask whether Rooney, "the white Pele", ever said sorry to Carvalho ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.201.155.4 (talk) 13:20, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Typical Portuguese bias there. How do you know Rooney stepped on Carvalho's groin on purpose? Rooney was already spinning around, Carvalho was lying prone on the floor and just happened to have his knackers in the way of Rooney's foot. My point is that there is no evidence to suggest that this was an accident or that it was deliberate, we just don't know. Keep your anti-England bias to yourself. – PeeJay 13:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Let us put this way: Carvalhos testes were so much attracted by the tip of Rooney´s shoe that they had to jump right on it. These nasty Portugueses ... always sex on their mind! No, dear, the evidence is clearcut: Rooney kicked him deliberately exactely into his ballacks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.201.155.4 (talk) 22:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you kidding me? You say the evidence is clear-cut, but you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Please go away. – PeeJay 22:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Someone please change the part of EA's FIFA games
it says that he appeared 5 times on the cover of uk version of FIFA's UK version from '06 to '10.

10-6 = 4... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.144.191 (talk) 16:02, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Obviously you can't count. Rooney has appeared on the covers of FIFA 06, FIFA 07, FIFA 08, FIFA 09 and FIFA 10. That is five games. – PeeJay 22:22, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, this really made me giggle. Tomlock01 (talk) 16:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Edits by User:Tomlock01
I don't understand your edits; you are saying 'trim trim trim' and you have almost eaten half of the article. See the difference, you have removed quite a lot of well referenced text. Please do explain about this...-- Managerarc   (talk)  07:00, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I basically trimmed the article to remove anything that I didn't think was notable, or that breaches WP:NPOV.

For example, "a credit to his rapid development into one of his club and country's most important players", is POV and as such shouldn't be in the article.

"However, his first season at Old Trafford ended trophyless as United could only manage a third place finish in the league (having been champions or runners-up on all but two previous occasions since 1992) and failed to progress to the last eight of the UEFA Champions League. United had more success in the cup competitions, but were edged out of the League Cup in the semi finals by a Chelsea side who also won the Premier League title that season, and a goalless draw with Arsenal in the FA Cup final was followed by a penalty shoot-out defeat". This kind of thing is, of course, accurate and may well have been referenced, but that does not mean it should be in the article; this should be in the Manchester United F.C article, not the Wayne Rooney article.

A lot of what I have cut out are descriptions of Rooney's individual goals, which I don't think are appropriate, unless they are particularly notable. For example if Rooney scored the winning goal in the World Cup final, this would be notable. However I fail to see how "On 29 August 2009, United played Arsenal at Old Trafford. Rooney scored the equaliser from the penalty spot after Andrei Arshavin had put the Gunners ahead. The game finished 2–1 to Manchester United after Abou Diaby scored an own goal" is notable (why should this goal be in there, when a myriad of his others aren't?).

On the whole, I think I've improved this article, and I certainly hadn't finished on it; I had planned on expanding the opening section for example, and expanding also his early life section. I don't know if you had added a lot of the information which I removed, in which case I can understand why you might be upset.

Anyway, I've explained my reasoning so I suggest we try and reach consensus, and if it is decided that I was a bit over the top with my editing, we can add it back. Deal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomlock01 (talk • contribs) 09:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, thanks for the explanation, can you further explain the removal of these lines.


 * 1) He made his professional debut in 2002 and his first goal made him the youngest goalscorer in Premier League history at the time
 * I only removed this from the lead, it is still in the article in the Everton section.


 * 1) In September 2005, Rooney was sent off in a UEFA Champions League clash with Villarreal of Spain (which ended in a goalless draw) for sarcastically clapping the referee who had booked him for an unintentional foul on an opponent.
 * Well I don't think this is notable. In 10 years time, will people even remember this? I doubt it. See WP:Recentism; sure this was newsworthy at the time, but does it deserve a place in his wikipedia article? I don't think so.


 * 1) And then there is another paragraph which was about his sending off in a match against F.C. Porto.
 * Again, see WP:Recentism, he got sent off, so what!? Lots of players do...


 * 1) During the first half of the 2006–07 season, Rooney ended a ten-game scoreless streak with a hat-trick against Bolton Wanderers and he signed a two-year contract extension the next month that tied him to United until 2012.
 * If you look at a retired players wikipedia article, it doesn't list their contract renewal dates, does it? I think its debatable whether a hat-rick is notable or not, especially with the number of goals Rooney scores.


 * 1) On 31 January 2010, Rooney scored his 100th Premier League goal in a 3–1 win over Arsenal for the first time in the league at the Emirates, notably his first Premier League goal also came against Arsenal. (very much notable)
 * How is this 'very much notable'? (I assume English isn't your first language?). Will his 100th goal be notable when he has scored 200, or 300 goals?


 * 1) On 16 February 2010, Rooney hit his first European goals of the season, scoring two headers in the 3–2 away win against A.C. Milan in their first ever win against them at the San Siro. (This was his first CL goal of the season)
 * Yes it was his CL goal of that season, so it would be significant in the context of that season only, not his entire career.


 * 1) On 28 February 2010, he scored another header against Aston Villa (his fifth consecutive headed goal in a row) which resulted in Manchester United winning the Carling Cup final 2–1. (This was notable as well!) -- Managerarc   (talk)  14:45, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't protest if this was put back into the article, but I don't think the Carling Cup is particularly important. Had he scored in the CL final, then fine but Rooney didn't even start the game if I remember correctly which shows how much the game meant to Sir A.


 * You're welcome :) and sure, please see about for my explanation. I'm quite keen to get this article to GA status, so I will be working on it a fair bit in the coming weeks.
 * k dude, I think these explanations are quite satisfying... please go ahead with your work on the article. Thanks a lot.
 * Not sure why Arshavin and Diaby are mentioned, the article is about Rooney and there was no interaction between Rooney and these players.--Shakehandsman (talk) 05:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Not a fan of these changes as it has created far too much whitespace. We need to revert or remove some pictures. Paralympiakos (talk) 14:54, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Affair accusations
Nothing should be done, without verifiable and reliable sources (not newspapers/gossip websites/magazines or biased media material, etc). Ryankonkolewski (talk) 12:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

The point is the accusations have been made and it's become big news that has obviously impacted on his football. Including it in the article wouldn't validate the accusations, just state that they've been made. Hell, it's a bit odd there's been nothing about this season in the article at all. 82.46.29.163 (talk) 15:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 188.62.35.183, 19 September 2010
September 2010, Wayne Rooney's marriage came under intense pressure after the New of the World revealed that he had a series of encounters with a prostitute while his wife was pregnant, he reportedly slept with 21-year-old Jennifer Thompson, who charges £1,200 a night, seven times in four months. They had sex in one of Manchester's most exclusive hotels, and visited nightclubs and casinos together. It is understood his lawyers tried to fight the allegations when they first surfaced three weeks ago, but ultimately decided they were indefensible because of previous revelations about the star and prostitutes.

188.62.35.183 (talk) 12:05, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Stickee (talk)  12:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Nationality: British, not English
His nationality is British.

English is his cultural identity, not his official nationality.

In the UK you are a citizen of the UK, not of England, or Scotland, or Wales, or Northern Ireland. Those are cultural and historical identities, they're not official nor legal nationalities.
 * Wrong. His nationality is English, he plays for the English national team. His sporting nationality takes lead. And that includes Ex-players too. Nationality of people from the United Kingdom. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 15:07, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Leaving
He wants to leave Man Utd: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/19/wayne-rooney-ferguson-manchester-united —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewdavies (talk • contribs) 14:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

MUFC controversy section
Doesn't read anything like an encylopedia, I'll try and fix it a bit now, although whilst there's only little information (and indeed, there's always the possibilty he won't leave) I don't know if it's worth having at all... BulbaThor (talk) 18:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 82.147.13.198, 20 October 2010
He no longwer plays for Manchester United.

82.147.13.198 (talk) 13:32, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm watching the news right now. It goes no further than "he wants to leave", so he's still under contract. Until he's left, the article shouldn't be changed. Rodhull  andemu  16:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

New contract at United
According to the BBC he has signed a new 5-year deal. I've updated to reflect this, but are the past few days notable enough to keep in the article now? I mean, player might leave, signs new contract is hardly noteworthy... BulbaThor (talk) 12:01, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Who won?
The entry currently states "Since then, he has won the Premier League three times, the 2007–08 UEFA Champions League and two League Cups". This is not true. It should read "Since then, Manchester United has won the Premier League three times, the 2007–08 UEFA Champions League and two League Cups." The team won - not just Mr Rooney! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.118.25 (talk) 14:44, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Seems sensible enough to me, edited. Icedragz (talk) 20:22, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Deceased?
He is still alive as far as I know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.110.62.57 (talk) 19:09, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

This is just a test for updating rooney page!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.209.241.193 (talk) 09:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Assists column in the Stats table
This has been discussed previously under the heading "Assists Table". I think it needs to be revisited. I considered going ahead and adding the assists column myself, but figured it would be better to put it up for discussion again. It has been argued that he is a striker and goals are the stat that ought to be considered. However, as the stats show again this season, Rooney has solid assist numbers again, that compare well with playmaker/second striker (in the mould of a classic South American no. 10). His assist numbers of United (in all competitions) since he joined are as follows:

2004-05 - 4 2005-06 -  14 2006-07 -  14 2007-08 -  14 2008-09 -  12 2009-10 -  6 2010-11 (so far) -  10  ASM (talk) 00:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

19 october/ i find those assist stats to be partly untrue am very sure he has more check your data, watch the tapes lazy work am afraid... wikipedia change it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.208.26 (talk) 23:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Well the debate on what the accurate assist statistics are can go on forever. The fact is that these numbers are not my own. I copied them from the ESPN soccernet player profile. Other sites have almost the same numbers (Premier League's own website provides assists numbers). This same profile is used as a reference on this page elsewhere. So, why not for the assists? Assists are increasingly used as a metric of a player's capabilities, especially a forward or an attacking midfielder. These numbers along with goals are often highlighted as goal involvement (goals + assists) in British as well as continental papers to highlight players' offensive capabilities. This page is under-reporting Rooney's abilities as an attacking player by omitting the assists number.

So I think there are two issues for debate: (1) Should assists be reported? My vote is "yes". Other player profiles (Messi, Van Persie, Suarez, etc.) also carry these stats. (2) Which source should be used as a reference? (Premier League website http://www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics; ESPN Soccernet http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/21046/wayne-rooney?cc=5901, etc.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87msa (talk • contribs) 21:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Dsapru, 18 December 2010
i would like to change the pic.

Dsapru (talk) 14:43, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. If you want to upload a new picture it will have to be compatible with the image use policy. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 15:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Current form
Would it be worth pointing out his current dip in form and media attention to this in the 2010/11 season?

Mentioning he hasn't scored from open play in the league this season, for example.
 * If a reliable commentator has made this point, we could cite it. Rodhull  andemu  02:59, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Wummer71, 4 April 2011
Can i add details about foulmouthed scouser wayne rooney's two match ban for swearing at the sky cameras?

Wummer71 (talk) 21:31, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Not done for now: Please be specific about where you want it added. Also tell me your source for this change. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) (Shout!) 22:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Also the foulmouthed scouser will not be added as it attacks the subject of the article. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) (Shout!) 22:12, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Missing information in international table
In the international career section it is mentioned that Rooney became the youngest player to score for England when he scored in his debut against Australia in a friendly, however this goal is not represented in the table of his international goals. Or, if he didn't score on debut the sentence might need rewording, as it sounds like he scored at the same specific age of his debut aka on the same day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.163.175.132 (talk) 02:33, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Scheibekopft, 6 April 2011
"As usual, the excuse of "passion" and ITV's bias towards his team will help him get away with it." this needs removing, its just an opinion with no citations or factual basis, cheers.

Scheibekopft (talk) 19:26, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done by User:Healy6991. — Bility (talk) 23:33, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

stuff about him?
he swore idiotically at a sky-sports camera,he is going to miss two games & hopes man u lose without him,because he is smug he thinks he's better then the following strikers & wingers beneath. 1:D.Drogba 2:F:Torres 3:R.V.Persie 4:L.Suarez 5:D.villa 6:C.Ronaldo 7:G.Higuin 8:D.Berbetov 9:A.Arsharvin 10:L.Fabiano 11:C.Tevez 12:J.Defoe 13:Raul Nobody please do not get offended by this comment,and please don't block me. These are my feeling but you may like or love or dislike him like me. And little boys have him as role model.But they shouldn't or they might as well start swearing at a very colossally young age. Thank you.........ťĥåñķĶ ýø — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iy-noe-evrtink.cod (talk • contribs) 19:54, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This page is for discussing the Wikipedia article about Wayne Rooney, and not for general talk about him. Is there anything specific that you would like to see changed? His ban is already mentioned towards the end of the "2010–11 season" section. doom gaze   (talk)  21:37, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Spiderham15, 13 April 2011
please change the picture of rooney to this http://answers.bettor.com/images/Articles/thumbs/extralarge/2011_1_4-2011_1_4_9_32_23-jpg-51151.jpg

Spiderham15 (talk) 22:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

– HonorTheKing (talk) 10:15, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read : Uploading_images.
 * And only if the pictures were taken by you or by someone who gave permission to use it.

Smoking
Is it worth mentioning the fact that Rooney smokes cigarettes? (92.7.12.95 (talk) 16:58, 27 April 2011 (UTC))
 * First of all, can you prove it? – PeeJay 20:03, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

He was photographed smoking numerous cigarettes in September last year. He had previously been reprimanded for smoking on his honeymoon by Fabio Capello. (92.20.37.78 (talk) 15:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC))
 * But where is the evidence? – PeeJay 19:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Picture
Have reverted to the previous infobox picture, it is clearly a better depiction of Rooney. Mato (talk) 22:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Goal of the Month and Season
This page is missing the latest goal of the month and goal of the season's Wayne has won. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elpaico (talk • contribs) 11:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hair transplant?
Is this worth a mention? Cosmetic operations on other celebrities often are... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.96.22 (talk) 15:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 92.25.221.93, 28 June 2011
I want to make the picture more updated.

92.25.221.93 (talk) 07:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: In order for you to update the picture please see Uploading images and then either come back here with the image to be discussed or if you have an account and been (auto)confirmed then you can add it yourself. Jnorton7558 (talk) 07:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from DiyaOnline, 19 July 2011
More information needs updating about his personal life.

DiyaOnline (talk) 08:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Jnorton7558 (talk) 09:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

New section
Should the article mention the fact that his hair transplant did not work, and recent photographs show him looking as bald as he did before? (92.7.5.54 (talk) 23:40, 30 July 2011 (UTC))

– HonorTheKing (talk) 01:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You need a reliable source for such a thing, and looking at a photograph doesn't tell you that.

Move to Marseille is fake
The move to Marseille that this article claims to have happened on the 31st of August 2011 is fake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.129.18.206 (talk) 12:07, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

– HonorTheKing (talk) 12:10, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have reverted the user who faked his move.

2011–12 season - 2011 Community Shield
It states that Rooney scored twice in the 3-2 comeback against Man City. This is not the case, it was Nani that scored the 2 goals with Smalling scoring the other. - Tim Mason 25 Oct 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.21.167 (talk) 14:09, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Undid the edit that added that false info, thanks. El0i (talk) 14:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Austria pre-season in 2002
Rooney made his senior debut for Everton - and scored - in a 3-1 victory over Bruck an der Mur in 2002. He then scored a hat-trick and set up three further goals two days later, against SC Weiz (Weiz 2-10 Everton)

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FOOTBALL%3A+ROONEY+STEALS+THE+SHOW+AGAIN%3B+SC+WEIZ+............2+EVERTON...-a089140662

Harryfoges (talk) 12:02, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

English Roman Catholics
Added him to this category. Citation is here http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/drawn-to-crosses-rooney-opens-up-about-his-religion-2002451.html Sue De Nimes (talk) 00:49, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Removed per WP:BLPCAT, self identification is only one part of what's required to add a religious category to a living person's article. 2 lines of K  303  10:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

For it to be included the category also has to be relevant to their "public life or notability". Google "wayne rooney catholic" and you get 836,000 results. That would certainly point to his Catholicism being noteworthy. Mr Rooney's dalliances with vice have often thrown his Catholicism into sharp contrast. I have included several links below regarding Wayne Rooney and Catholicism which I believe highlight its relevance. Remember as well that Rooney's faith is interlinked strongly with his immigrant Irish background.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/2138867/Wayne-Rooneys-wedding-to-Coleen-McLoughlin-not-valid-says-Catholic-Church.html http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/from-wayne-rooney-to-adrian-chiles--englands-top-10-catholics-14949471.html http://www.independent.ie/national-news/rooney-is-part-of-a-generation-irish-on-the-inside-72755.html Sue De Nimes (talk) 00:29, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Google 'Wayne Rooney hair' and you'll get over 5 million results... A Catholic (or member of any particular religion) not adhering to the tenets of that religion is hardly notable. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:36, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hardly a fair test Bastun, given Rooney plays for the Red Devils which may skew things slightly, and obviously his hair transplant has been in the news. Although "wayne rooney catholic" did seem to be 836,000 the other day, today it's up to 1,450,000. Obviously you have to balance that against a search for "wayne rooney muslim" returns 4,200,000 results!!!!


 * The article about his wedding isn't sufficient for BLPCAT, if anything it shows he ignored the church and got married wherever he wanted!


 * The top 10 Catholics is interesting, but flawed. The list is about people's influence on society in general, something that is completely tangential to their religion.


 * The Irish Independent is talking more about Irish people in general, Rooney gets the briefest of mentions and his religion even less. 2 lines of K  303  11:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Goal total
It says that he he's scored 119 premier league goals for Man Utd and 15 goals for Everton, but it says thay he's scored a total of 133 premier league goals. It should be 134. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Npm2310 (talk • contribs) 10:19, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 March 2012
Wayne Rooney has scored 27 goals this season. You have him as only socring 26. I think its because you have hom down as only scoring 4 goals in Europe this season but he has 5. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/players/r/rooney_243973.stm

2.125.84.44 (talk) 04:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Look, I checked out and Rooney did score 26 goals, not 27. Hahahel (talk) 08:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. The requester's BBC source says 27, with 5 from Europe and other. That source seems reliable. The table in the article breaks it down to 4 from Eurpoe and 0 from other. Which of those columns are incorrect? - Celestra (talk) 17:58, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The club's official stats website has Rooney scoring 26 goals this season so far, four of those in Europe. I think one goal was taken away from him and put down as an own goal. – PeeJay 19:25, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The error comes from the second goal in United's 2-0 win over Otelul Galati in the CL group stage. It was originally put down as a Rooney goal, but it was actually an own goal by Cristian Sarghi. – PeeJay 19:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Celestra (talk) 21:07, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 April 2012
I think the picture of Wayne Rooney should be a more upto date photo. This is because his appearence has radically changed since 2008 when that picture was taken. Perhaps this is a more acurate photo of Rooney at the moment http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=wayne+rooney+2012&start=151&hl=en&biw=1441&bih=627&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=P1LvpQ8GuAlm-M:&imgrefurl=http://www.topmercato.com/42017,1/le-red-devil-rooney-est-encore-sorti-de-sa-boite.html&docid=5wegmwUzEuVRSM&imgurl=http://www.topmercato.com/medias/images2011/2012-01-02-wayne-rooney-haut.jpg&w=343&h=500&ei=8-mCT_bUHNDa0QW19_HyBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=115&vpy=205&dur=473&hovh=271&hovw=186&tx=131&ty=153&sig=106735606337399932782&page=7&tbnh=142&tbnw=99&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:21,s:151,i:179

86.29.28.91 (talk) 13:42, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

– HonorTheKing (talk) 14:22, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Only pictures which you have taken by yourself and uploaded to wikipedia could be used, the only other way is to use Flickr and find a picture of him with the right upload information which could be used in WP, read the rules in the Upload file page under Toolbox.

Ah many thanks, i'm stupid and did not read the rules, thanks for setting me right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.28.91 (talk) 22:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 April 2012
I think there should be something about Rooney passing George Best and Dennis Viollet to reach 180 goals for United becoming the 4th all time marksman against Everton in the 2011 - 12 season review

86.29.28.91 (talk) 08:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. mabdul 18:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)