Talk:Weather/Archive 1

Archive
Archive

I've archived this talk off as it was very old and mostly me jabbering to myself. nick 16:37, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

From PNA/Meterology
I have rewritten the weather article. It is now a generic explanation of weather, rather than a portal for weather web sites. nick 13:36, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Weather
Finally I think this article is on its way to becoming what it should be: a decent overview of all aspect of weather. Details should be dealt with in the articles linked to, not in this article itself. nick 16:37, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Angle of inclination
There are a couple of errors I have just noticed in this article - I'll try and fix them tonight but if somone else has time please do:
 * 1) Because the Earth's axis is tilted (not perpendicular to its orbital planet), sunlight is incident at different angles at different latitudes: higher latitudes have a lower angle of incidence, which results in less heating than at lower latitudes nearer the equator. (See Effect of sun angle on climate).This is wrong. Even if the Earth's orbit were perpendicular to the orbital plane, higher lattitudes would still recieve less sunlight.
 * 2) Any precession in a planet's orbit will affect the amount of energy received at a particular spot throughout the year. This effect causes seasons and may influence long-term weather patterns.. No. Seasons are caused by the axial tilt. Precession occurs over much longer periods and has been cited as part of the explanation for climate cycles (see Milankovitch cycles). Seasons are caused by the axial tilt. In June the Northern Hemisphere is tilted towards the sun, so at any given NH lattitude more sunlight falls on that spot than there would be at the equinox. In the NH winter it is other way around - the hemisphere points away from the sun. This is because direction of the axis of rotation stays nearly constant on this timescale relative to the stars.--NHSavage 07:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Now fixed.--NHSavage 19:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Coriolis, latent heat, & adiabatic expansion&contraction
I added a quick mention of corriolis effect.

The effect of latent heat and adiabatic expansion and contraction could be usefully added. crandles 22:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

The lead
I didn't know rain was a phenomena, or snow, or even clear blue skies. -- Jay  (Reply)  16:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Learn something everyday. Weather is indeed a phenomena. -- Jay  (Reply)  16:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

What's Missing?
Well lots of people seem to think that there is a lot missing from this article, but no-one seems to be willing to elaborate. If you can think of something missing stick it in a list here. Bear in mind that this article pretty much has to be an overview of the subject given its depth and complexity. 83.67.130.184 18:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The effects of weather on people's moods? --mazi 16:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's needed - if only to say that there is no or little effect because there are so many people who think it does have an effect. Malick78 (talk) 16:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have been working quite a lot with the Swedish version of this article. I added an overview of different parts of what we call weather, like temperature, wind etc. That could be something to add. --Kr-val (talk) 09:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I also think that a chapter on weather observation is relevant for the article. --Kr-val (talk) 09:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Temperatures/climate for/of various geographical locations... A couple questions... It's late October and in Savannah, Georgia the day starts at 37 degrees, but will warm to 60 degrees by mid-day. Why? I'm looking at highs and lows around the world this time of year and there's much variation. Shanghai, China experiences a constant mid-60s in the morning and all day.. whereas Los Angeles will be warmer even than Miami, Florida, which is further south. Why are Tucscon, AZ and other parts of Arizona so warm (92 high)? Meanwhile much further south in Mexico, San Miguel de Allende will only get a high of 72 degrees... (Though maybe it's in the mountains.. ) I recognize altitude plays a role, but I'm interested in how Latitude determines a region's temperature, in combination with other geographical, sun/orbit, ocean, and weather factors...

Maybe much of this info is under Climate, but temperature is a big part of the weather... Thanks! [davidfine dot org] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.15.134 (talk) 13:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * "Weather pattern" often comes up, but doesn't have a page or section. Would be nice if s.o. could fit it in. Fair Weather links to a rock band, so weather related items would have to be fit in here I guess. 76.97.245.5 (talk) 14:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC) (Found Fair weather condition now, needs work and a redirect. 76.97.245.5 (talk) 14:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

No external links at all?
Surely thats a bit austere? what about the students? -- maxrspct  ping me  21:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Contradiction- Planetary or Not?
First, this article says "Weather is a term that encompasses phenomena in the atmosphere of a planet." Then, it includes a section on extra-planetary weather that states explicitly that "Weather is not limited to planetary bodies." This could be cause for pretty substantial confusion, and should probably be cleared up. Imagining the concept of extra-planetary weather is valid, as seems more likely in this case, I think we should delete the first sentence of the article and use a modified version of the second one (which defines weather for a second time) in its stead. Something like:
 * The weather is the state of an atmosphere at a given time and place.
 * or
 * The weather is the set of all extant phenomena in a given atmosphere at a given time.

To be more precise, and to use the term "phenomena", which is likely more accurate than "state". If no-one objects, I'll change the article in a day or two. -- Thesocialistesq/M.Lesocialiste 01:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC) Alright. I'm going to go ahead with this. -- Thesocialistesq/M.Lesocialiste 17:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, weather does occur in the hydrosphere and troposphere, but weather is not restricted to those two sections alone. The second sentence of the first paragraph needs to be restated. 63.249.98.216 (talk) 02:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Links
I think, adding the following link to Ogimet website, where the latest information from all meteorological stations of the world is provided, is important: http://www.ogimet.com/index.phtml.en Cmapm 16:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

" i think that this was the wrong conclusion, and this page should not have been deleted" hugh from basingstoke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.72.8 (talk) 16:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

precipitation is an important part of the weather, it erodes this earth and should be respected

hugh from Aberdeenshire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.72.8 (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Image and citations missing
Apologies, I am not a meteorologist and have no training in the field but I was removing px on images to match user preferences and encountered some markup I am unable to fix. The nice chart under "Forecasting" disappeared. I wonder if another editor would be able to fix that? Also I added a "citations missing" template for now, hope that's okay with you. Thanks very much for this article. -Susanlesch 17:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank heavens adding 240px back restored the image. Sorry about that. -Susanlesch 05:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Earth
Hello i have recently proposed the Wikiproject Earth. This Wikiproject`s scope includes this article. This wikiproject will overview the continents, oceans, atsmophere and global warming Please Voice your opinion by clicking anywhere on this comment except for my name. --IwilledituTalk :)Contributions —Preceding comment was added at 15:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

The Weather
How do I use this page to find out what the weather is. If Wikipedia is the sum of all human knowledge, shouldn't this page tell me what the weather is like in every city all over the world? 69.143.226.129 (talk) 18:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is the sum of all encyclopedic human knowledge; we also don't include the daily routine of every person on Earth, or the color of every house, or the location of every tree.  Don't be ridiculous. - Running  On  Brains  22:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's hard to tell if they were talking about current conditions, what the climate is normally like in a certain place this time of the year, or merely the weather forecast, so their question can't be effectively answered. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to WP:BITE. If you're looking for the climate of a specific area, we have many articles in Category:Climate by country and Category:Climate by city.  If your area is not listed, please feel free to Be Bold! and create it with appropriate sources.  For weather forecasts, that's something we can't do, try the National Weather Service website.- Running  On  Brains  04:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Temperature Range
Right now the article states On Earth, temperatures usually range between ±40 °C (±72 °F). I personally don't like this representation of the range, particularly the Fahrenheit scale range, since the average (not median, I know, but how would you even find that?) surface temperature is around 14 °C (55 °F). You see a lot of temperatures going over +72 °F (even north of the Arctic Circle) but not so much -72 °F, unless you're in Antarctica. Does anyone think a direct translation of the Celsius scale range would be better? That would be roughly -40 °F to 100 °F. I could even argue that we shouldn't have either scale represented in a plus-or-minus fashion and stick to ranges of two separate numbers. Jason Patton (talk) 09:31, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that's meant to mean at any individual spot in an average year. It doesn't mean below 72F.  Thegreatdr (talk) 22:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that those scales aren't even equivalent! ±40 °C is -40°F to 104°F.  Very sloppy use of units. - Running  On  Brains  15:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think we should use Kelvin instead of Celsius, or would it be the same issue? A degree Celsius/Kelvin is equilavent to 1.8F...but since the scales are offset, people think about these units as what they would convert to, rather than what the article states, a range.  For example, a place with a low of 50F (10C) and a high of 122F (50F) sees a temperature range of 72F (40C).  It's a general range, not a specific range from zero on either scale.  This is why use of a convert template failed there.  Thegreatdr (talk) 13:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

how about
starting AID for this important article? NPOV-V-NOR 15:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it wouldn't be a bad idea, although weather is already a good article but if we could get it to a featured article (with it being a core article) that would be great. I'll br happy to help! :-) Andy (talk) 19:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not. I like the idea.  However, it looks like AID closed nearly a year ago.  D'oh!  Thegreatdr (talk) 02:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Huh?
near the beginning of th article, there is this mishmash:

go to end of article*Weather is a set of all the phenomena occurring in a given atmosphere at a given time.[1]

Could some-one please fix this. Kdammers (talk) 02:53, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like it was some vandalism; apparently fixed. Cheers, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikinews weather
There is a discussion on the wikinews mailing list about setting up bots or other software agents to track weather conditions. The intent is to have quite a high level of detail to present weather conditions as news. Obviously, if you maintain a historical record of the data there are other uses for the data - some of which may benefit Wikipedia.

We'd welcome any and all input on this, particularly on the presentation of the data and what should be stored. --Brian McNeil /talk 13:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Weather Warnings
Don't you reckon we should update or change the way we get in contact with the weather warnings? We should have better and easier ways to see whats comming etc... what do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Westy1997 (talk • contribs) 08:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree more. Lastitem (talk) 18:27, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Improper References
Should references 46/47 be used since they are citing a web page which is in turn citing another source? This is essentially another aggregate site run by a individual relaying other sources.

Midway22 (talk) 18:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

weather is one of the most dangerous things on this planet. It is more powerful than any thing living on Earth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.159.153 (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a provocative argument, in my opinion. Lastitem (talk) 06:19, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Whether redirects here
As I understand it, "whether" is used as "I will go outside, whether or not it is raining", rather than a mis-spelling of "weather".

Wiktionary suggests that "whether" is obsolete, though I'd disagree with that - I've used it (and seen it used) a fair few times. Perhaps it's used more frequently in British English than in American (or other) forms of the language? If this is the case, then it would only be obsolete in the context of a particular regional dialect.

I seem to recall that "whether" can also be spelled as "wether", though a quick search doesn't seem to find any evidence to support this.

2.26.15.230 (talk) 09:09, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Wiktionary only indicates whether is obsolete for some uses, but anyway the page  is a redirect because despite its primary use as a conjunction, it isn't notable enough for a Wikipedia page. Thus, it redirects here. —  Reatlas  (talk)  10:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That's fair enough, but it just seems odd that it redirects here without an explanation as to why. I'm not really sure what the best thing to do is here, but surely SOMETHING should be mentioned? Currently, the impression is that "whether" is an alternative, obsolete, or incorrect variant of "weather". 2.26.15.230 (talk) 11:18, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Whether is not an alternative, nor am I aware of any time when it was an alternative to the word weather. One might as well place a redirect for "and" to "ant"! Either Wikipedia is both encyclopedic and accurate or it redirects incorrectly. Currently, it's doing both in this instance. As in the conjunction "whether" is redirecting to the noun "weather", with the conjunction regarding a range of alternatives and the latter being most commonly used regarding atmospheric phenomena and occasionally space conditions. Unless Wikipedia is to now also be a dictionary of random incorrect redirects, the redirect from "whether" to "weather" really needs to go.Wzrd1 (talk) 12:00, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Are you aware of the existence of Category:Redirects from misspellings? Ant doesn't redirect but there is . @IP, you have a point, but I don't really see what can be done. The closest thing might be a hatnote saying "Whether" redirects here. For the interrogative word, see... But we don't have an article to link. Edit: Actually, maybe Template:See Wiktionary will do. Edit 2: Actually, actually, Template:Wiktionary redirect is probably appropriate here.—  Reatlas  (talk)  12:17, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * , Whether now soft redirects to Wiktionary. —  Reatlas  (talk)  07:42, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * A good solution. This allows people who arrive here looking for Weather but misspell the word to learn of their mistake. Rivertorch (talk) 19:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Agriculture changing weather
In the intro and the body, we have a statement that agricultural activities can inadvertently change the weather; this document is the source. Unless we have some other source saying that agriculture is able to do this, I'd suggest removing the agricultural bit: the source page says "agriculture" and then goes on to discuss nothing but industrial activities, which cause problems such as acid rain. A basic rule of writing summaries is that you don't include what's not mentioned elsewhere: unless we can give examples of agricultural activities potentially causing changes in the weather, we ought not mention agriculture. As it is now, I thought this was perhaps someone jokingly implying that rain follows the plow, rather than anything serious. Nyttend (talk) 05:49, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm... perhaps wait a couple of days to see if someone can source it now that this discussion has been brought up? At the very least, if it is not in the source, tag it with .  Dustin  ( talk ) 05:53, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It is fairly obvious that modern land misuse has had disastrous effects on rainfall but with the advent of Thatcherism the evidence was turned into political disputes in her war on British miners during her reign.
 * The effect of mismanaging river systems coupled with land drainage has led to the long term lack of rainfall in California, as has industrialisation where fogs once formed large enough droplets to fall or to condense on the furniture. With sulphates in the air, it tends to grow no bigger than beads too small to coagulate.
 * http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=86663&src=eoa-iotd
 * https://weatherlawyer.wordpress.com/2015/09/23/it-never-rains/

Weatherlawyer (talk) 11:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Embed weather 2015 video from EUMETST Comment
Does anyone know how to embed/link this Year of Weather 2015 video from EUMETSAT in the article to play for readers? I could not find a method, only trying to download the video, converting formats and then uploading, which did not seem productive to me. I was just trying to embed the video in a video player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4mBYwBNULk&ab_channel=EUMETSAT

Thank you, --CuriousMind01 (talk) 01:18, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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The hottest air temperature ever recorded
Hi,

in chapter 9 Extremes on Earth, it is mentioned, that the reading (at El-Azizia) is queried.

The hottest air temperature ever recorded should be changed because "the WMO World Archive of Weather and Climate Extremes rejected this temperature extreme of 58°C as the highest temperature officially recorded on the planet. The WMO assessment is that the highest recorded surface temperature of 56.7°C (134°F) was measured on 10 July 1913 at Greenland Ranch (Death Valley), California"

Five major concerns with the 1922 El Azizia temperature extreme record has been pointed out in the : Assessment of the Purported World Record 58°C Temperature Extreme at El Azizia, Libya (13 September 1922) http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/BAMS-D-12-00093.1

Thanks for all your work within WP,

Best regards,

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Global Weather Video for Year 2015
EUMETSAT created "A Year in Weather 2015" a narrated video of the earth's weather photographed from weather satellites for the entire year 2015. Geostationary satellite photographs from EUMETSAT, the Japan Meteorological Agency and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration were assembled to show weather changing on earth for 365 days in a time lapse video.


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seasons
There are just two forms of seasons in this summary, but what about (Australian) aboriginal weather systems, see e.g. http://www.mirima.org.au/content/movie1.html and Indigenous weather systems (BOM) MargaretRDonald (talk) 19:20, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Cold weather
I posted a comment at Talk:Cold to suggest the idea of a Cold section, and now I'm posting here to suggest a Weather section as well as the natural converse Weather. Because cold weather is big part of the human experience on Earth. -Inowen (nlfte) 02:56, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

parts of the atmosphere
it dosent really say thata they are showing all the parts of weather because it also depends on on the atmosphere for heat or coolness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.210.255.18 (talk) 16:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Add discussion
weather Parsam.p (talk) 21:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Weather simply refers to the condition of the earth’s atmosphere at a specific location and area. Weather forecasting is one of the most scientifically and technologically challenging problems due to its complex and dynamic nature.

Forecasting is the process of estimating the weather patterns through using historical data, AI technologies, and satellite imagery combining it with prediction models. Weather forecasting uses science and technology to forecast atmospheric conditions for a certain period over a specific location. The day-to-day changes of weather elements such as rainfall, temperature, wind speed, and humidity are essential meteorological parameters to be monitored continuously. The meteorological satellites provide a measurement of weather parameters at frequent intervals. The satellite images on cloud cover and various parameters such as winds, rainfall, sea surface temperature, etc., have become an integral part of weather forecasting.

There are various uses of weather forecasting in day-to-day life; it can be as simple as deciding whether to take an umbrella with you on your work or to determine your outfit. It can also help various sectors like agriculture and farming, logistics, aviation, among others, for their operations and smooth functioning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamliamjones (talk • contribs) 11:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)