Talk:WebOS/Archive 1

webos not open source
i dont believe webos is open source.. what license has it been released on?? how many non palm devices is it running on?? how much of OS manipulation is allowed?? it is unfair to call it open source.. there may be open areas in the OS but overall.. it isnt exactly open... someone should look into this.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Midgetman433 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

just because it is based on the linux kernal doesnt make it open source.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Midgetman433 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

In light of the article, I believe WebOS is open source, released under the GPL license, and the source code is available at  (this link I originally added, but it has since been removed; in the interests of not edit-warring, I have not put it back). The Linux kernel is GPL version 2, so it is permitted for Palm to digitally lock down the operating system to thwart modifiability (Tivoization) on Palm devices; nevertheless, it is still considered open source. (One could, in principle, build your own device and download, compile, and run Palm's software on your device.) I believe there are some userspace aspects of webOS, probably in the Graphical User Interface, which are not open source, though now we would have to define where webOS ends: is it just the operating system (i.e., kernel), or does it include the userspace application stack including the GUI? WebOS is not that different from Android, which is marked open source. John85 (talk) 06:56, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course the operating system is more than the kernel. OS X is clearly much more than XNU (and more than Darwin), even though both comprise essential components of it.  Windows 8 is more than NTOSKRNL.EXE.  Ubuntu is quite different than Slackware, and both are vastly different than Android, even though all rely upon Linux.  24.222.2.222 (talk) 13:14, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

To refer to webOS as a proprietary operating system based on Linux, (something which is not possible), makes the maintainers of the page appear to be less than qualified to maintain the page. Keep your page anyway you want it, but you need to learn what free software is and what its licenses are. Free software has court enforced legal obligations associated with its use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.130.42 (talk) 23:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's absolutely possible to make a proprietary operating system built upon Linux - all the userland API calls exposed by the Linux kernel are explicitly exempted from coverage in Linus Torvalds' preamble-to-the-preamble attached to the version of the GPL under which the kernel is distributed. Any OS services provided by the userland can therefore be totally proprietary, resulting in an effectively proprietary OS, without violating any Linux kernel licensing requirements.  24.222.2.222 (talk) 13:14, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Open webOS is released under the Apache 2.0 license, a quick minute of reading on http://www.openwebosproject.org will tell you that. And Open webOS is using the Linux 3.3 Standard Kernel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.17.217.153 (talk) 23:56, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

"Programmed in" section
What's the deal with the "Programmed in" section being "C and C++" ? While the kernel and low level service code contain C and C++ code, the whole user interface of the OS as well as all the default client applications that come preinstalled on the device are written in Javascript (+HTML/CSS), somebody please add that. -- 77.10.89.225 (talk) 11:42, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Also consider that in programming languages section there is HTML5 that is not a programming language even it s a markup language. -- 151.42.196.64 (talk) 09:56, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

"Designed by Matias Duarte"
Misleading bit. Matias Duarte was an SVP and led design - he did not 'design webOS'. There were a lot of designers and skilled individuals involved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.24.75.54 (talk) 05:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Emulators
Are there any WebOS emulators besides Preenv? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.48.15.11 (talk) 02:43, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

There is an official emulator available from HP Palm as part of the SDK. See developer.palm.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.17.217.153 (talk) 23:57, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Capitalisation
Would people please read Manual of Style/Trademarks before reverting "WebOS" to "webOS" in the article. The policy clearly states that trademarks like this should be capitalised in articles. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 10:11, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. However, it seems a little strange to have the first paragraph of the article talk about the subtle details of Wikipedia convention. --76.7.144.121 (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right; I've made it look a bit better now. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 15:17, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Do not agree. The name is webOS. It is so spelled on the HP site and must be so written anywhere. The policy of a website should not pass before the will of the creator. Wikipedia is sometimes a source of misinformation. Macaldo (talk) 16:01, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Before you revert any changes on this page can we revert all references to the iPhone on wikipedia and the numerous other trademarks that are not following this suggested rule? If we wish people to contribute and not become confused about how their edits are being adapted (in a way that is likely to be unexpected to most authors) this issue needs consideration, or even a vote. In my opinion the suggested rule will create something of a fools errand, wasting good moderation time to edit the huge number of contributors who are likely unaware of the rule, but fully aware of the normal practice of respecting a trademark holders capitalisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.113.47 (talk) 15:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSHITEXISTS. Read WP:MOSTM carefully. Unusual capitalizations we onky used here if they are universally used in relauvke sources. That is the case for iPhone and eBay, but not for WebOS, which has the initial capital in the majority of our sources. oknazevad (talk) 18:38, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

File-System and File-Size limitations
After answered, please add the following to the article: • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  21:37, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * What file-systems are used on various webOS devices, especially for the internal flash?
 * What file-system and file-size limitations are further restricted by webOS? (i.e. Can a file be larger than 4GB?)

Aquisition by LG
There is no official announcement on the purchase of webOS by LG, neither HP nor LG have confirmed the purchase yet, and source n°1 (http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1761&Itemid=42) links to an empty page on the HP webOS webpage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Гонсо (talk • contribs) 15:01, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Logo is incorrect
Isn't there an LG webOS logo available? The HP webOS logo is still showing up as the latest version on this article. - Mattrock1988 (talk) 16:16, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * There is not an official LG webOS logo. Perhaps in 2014 once the new TVs come out.Frmorrison (talk) 20:08, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Probably want to update the article
The interface it's now open source April 6, 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.212.206.164 (talk) 21:18, 6 April 2014 (UTC)