Talk:Web television/Archive 1

Opening comment
Latest edit claims it has added a "major web television network". I cannot find any reference to this network before February of this year, it is also "major" enough not to have its own page, and to have only 3 references when searching Wikipedia (two of which were added by the same user). Self promotion? Aamackie (talk) 19:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Merge Web and Internet Television?
I think web television and internet television should be merged. I have put the discussion on the Internet Television article's talk page as it seems to get more traffic, I mean no bias over which article should be merged into the other. The merge templates on each article currently point to this discussion. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 16:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Opposed. Web television is a distinct form of the medium which refers to programming made originally for distribution on the world wide web. Internet television refers to a distribution method, and serves content made originally for cable television, broadcast (terrestrial) television, as well as web television.   Bradybd (talk) 03:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, web television is a sub sect of internet tv as web tv is part of internet tv. Thanks, SqueakBox talk 21:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The merge discussion showed no consensus. As the Web is a component of the Internet, it may appear so, but Web television has (as stated) a specific format that is not common to all Internet television. With the opposition posted here, opposition to the move is larger, if going by a count. Kbrose (talk) 21:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Web television is most definitely a distinct medium from internet television. There was no consensus for a merge. Billbowery (talk) 02:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

The future of "Web television" isn't what it used to be
This all seems to have peaked in 2008. A really bad sign is that this Wikipedia article is the first article returned in the Google results. The articles in the results that follow are boosters for "web television". The first article where its use is incidental dates from 2008 saying this is the next big thing. Accordingly, I have added the relevant templates. There's a lot peacock language in the article, but three templates would be overkill, for example ...over 100,000 hits a day, a tremendous response for its time.(this is uncited as well). patsw (talk) 14:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

International 2004-2005 worldwide scope interviews
Hi,

I'm writing from Spain, I've included a paragraph on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_television#2000_to_2005:_Streaming section of the Web Television article. That paragraph has been apparently removed by a Wikipedia administrator. Regarding those interviews, who were produced, presented and directed by Pedro Alonso Pablos and who implicated several Hollywood directors and/or actors, like Guillermo del Toro, Keanu Reeves, Oliver Stone (with a small appearance), and others, I strongly believe that due to the international nature of theirs, should be included on that specific section of the English Web Television Wikipedia article. I have searched for a similar kind of content in several "web television" articles in wikipedia (Spanish, English and French) and it seems that there is no evidence of a previous or contemporaneous show like that one made just for the web. As the Wikipedia policy on writing articles is to include worldwide, international milestones for a specific topic, I suggest to include that landmark on that article. Here's the Wikipedia policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias, and here's the repository Youtube channel for those interviews (most of it in Spanish, but with spoken parts in English): http://www.youtube.com/user/dolmenentes

Thanks

"WebTV" should not redirect here
Without the space, it should go to MSN TV, which was formerly called "WebTV". Only with a space ("Web TV") should it come here. 31.54.58.79 (talk) 14:16, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It used to go to MSN TV, but an IP changed the redirect without discussion. I've undone that change – I agree that MSN TV is the correct target. Mojoworker (talk) 11:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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Usage of term "web television"
Is the term "web television" a commonly used term in 2016? It's remarkable that most of the citations in this article, and the bulk of its attention, date to the 2000s, even though online television series only became mainstream in the 2010s. A Google search of the term "web television" returns this article, a link for the "International Academy of Web Television" (which is extremely minor), and a few results from small-time tech sites and online dictionaries. There is no indication that the three main producers of online television today (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu) regularly use the term. A quick search on a few news sites that report on television (AV Club, Slate, The Atlantic, the New York Times) bring up either no results or three results, generally from 2012 or earlier. Yet these sites regularly report on the recent development of online television, using other terminology. Unless we demonstrate that the term and concept of "web television" is regularly used by the major producers of "web television," by major news sites, and in scholarly sources, I would suggest that we rename this article and significant update the articles on web/internet television. theBOBbobato (talk) 14:37, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I share those concerns. The Emmys call it "online streaming". Also from a technical point of view the term "web television" might be acceptable for YouTube but not for Netflix, Amazon Prime etc. as these are not primarily distributed via the World Wide Web via a web browser interface but by streaming to dedicated clients (apps) on TVs and mobile devices.
 * If there is not good evidence of this being an established term, the article should be merged into internet television, which mentions the term as a synonym. Or the two need to be properly differentiated. --EnOreg (talk) 16:20, 16 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree and I disagree. It might be best to fold ALL related terms into some other article entirely.


 * If a television series is created by a full-on production studio, does it matter whether the product appears on (say) ABC rather than Netflix?


 * Almost all "broadcast" TV has no consumer antenna involved, with everything on wires right up to the router. Aside from the controlling device, how is Hulu different from HBO?


 * Increasingly, the term is only of historical interest. Of the "broadcast" programs I watch, most get viewed on a portable device, at my convenience, generally streamed directly from the network's site. How is that NOT "web television"? Weeb Dingle (talk) 04:32, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Please note that last year 17% of American households were receiving TV signals via broadcast (antenna) only which suggest a rebound, leading to stories about antennas making a "comeback" so the distinction between online and true "broadcast" remains relevant. As for the specific term "web television," this article chronicles a particular phase in the evolution and convergence of media. It has value from a historical perspective and needs to be revised to exclude players like Netflix for reasons noted above. Editor B (talk) 18:57, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The question is where this phrase comes from? Is it a neologism coined on Wikipedia (i.e., original research)?  Who's actually using this term in the wild?  I've heard of web series a non-zero number of times, but that already has its own article.   FYI, I'm proposing this be merged with the streaming TV article.  If this is just a matter of cataloguing the use of the phrase as another name for the same thing, this the topic (and the world) would be better served by note on the other page.  But whatever the case, as originally brought up in the discussion, we need some source to corroborate that this is a real phrase and that people are sticking with it (versus just one-off, descriptive appearances in the media where the writer/editors/publishers weren't actually suggesting that "web television" is what it would be called). -- C. A. Russell ( talk ) 05:45, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with the proposed merge to streaming TV. Mojoworker (talk) 06:35, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * PS. I just did lots of overhaul on the streaming article.  I now that it would be best to use the video on demand article as a starting point instead.  These are three different articles for the same topic.  The best thing to do here, by far, would be to incorporate anything worthwhile here with the content from video on demand, and the same goes for web television.  I'll be updating the merge templates accordingly. -- C. A. Russell ( talk ) 07:33, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, that works too. Mojoworker (talk) 01:37, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

So... did the merge ever happen? carelesshx talk 15:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * To add to this, I agree entirely with the sentiment expressed by Weeb Dingle that the distinction between "web television" and television programmes distributed by other means is now academic. I think the right thing to do here would be to merge this article with Streaming television, expanding the merged article with worldwide examples, and making clear that "Streaming television" refers to the method of delivery, not the content. I would also go so far as to remove the term "web television" from any article about a programme made after, say 2012. carelesshx talk 15:58, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

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Globalize
I've added the Globalize template to this page because, as far as I can tell, it only discusses North America. There are other issues with the article, but, for now, it needs some examples from outside the US. carelesshx talk 15:39, 2 May 2020 (UTC)