Talk:Weed the People/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 04:39, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

♫ I was gonna review this nom, but then I got high :P ♫..... just kidding, I should at least have my comments for lead and infobox up within a few days. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 04:39, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Now to start on those.....

Infobox

 * File:Weed the People promotional poster.jpg has an appropriate FUR
 * Is including coordinates common practice for events of this nature? I'm not familiar with their use frequency.
 * You know, I don't know. I've been wondering this myself. I almost asked someone to add a map, but then thought, do we display maps for where events took place? FWIW, the building is unlikely to ever be notable, so I don't think we'll have an issue of clashing coordinates. I'm not opposed to removing the coordinates if you or other editors prefer. If neither of us are really sure, I'm not sure who to ask...? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:43, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Curious, do you have any thoughts on whether or not this article should have coordinates and/or a map? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:55, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Coordinates yes, map no. I think the map would be kind of too obvious for an event in Portland. Also I can't think of any other infobox event articles that do display a map. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:25, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Correction, Woodstock has a map. But whatsis farm is not as obvious as Portland so I'm sticking with what I said above. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:26, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Ok, thanks! I am fine having coordinates without a map. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:27, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * In that case, no objections to the coordinates here. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 16:57, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Lead

 * When the lead is supposed to be a summary of an article's content, all of it should ideally be cited in article body, so let's have a mention of this event's full title there as well and move its citation accordingly
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:49, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * "Sponsored by The Portland Mercury and two cannabis companies"..... let's mention the companies by name
 * Done. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:49, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

More to come later. SNUGGUMS (talk / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 01:40, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:49, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Background and planning

 * Unless I'm missing something, Ballot Measure 91 isn't mentioned in either of its attributed citations.
 * No, but Oregon Ballot Measure 91 is how recreational cannabis was legalized. I didn't include a citation specifically verifying this because I assumed the claim was noncontroversial and sourcing should stayed focused on the event itself. Keep in mind, this is meant to serve as background information to readers -- I didn't just want to say events were held after legalization without giving a little context about how the law was changed. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:44, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You cannot just assume people will automatically infer that from reading its references; either remove the ballot mention or use a source that mentions it. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 21:19, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure I agree, but ✅. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:46, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If possible, I'd try to give something more definitive than "there was reportedly a waiting list with 750 names"
 * Changed to "... and there was a waiting list with 750 additional interested participants". --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:46, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Fine by me <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 21:19, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Your setup of "It celebrates the throwing off of oppression and the freedom of legalization. And now, people can watch the fireworks tomorrow while high. They were probably going to do that anyway, but we're just helping them along." incorrectly implies this is one continuous quote without interruption when there's actually a break after the first sentences.
 * The current format looks fine to me. Are you suggest there should be " ... " after "freedom of legalization"? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:49, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That or maybe some other non-quoted text in between the quotes it gives. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 21:19, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , I feel like the current version follows standard conventions, unless I'm misunderstanding. Would you happen to have any thoughts here? Inviting you as recent copy editor. --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 21:45, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I've made a suggested fix. The original quotation did not have a break in it. That was added by the article's author. Twofingered Typist (talk) 22:03, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * How can you tell? Unless the "invalid authorization response" at the bottom of the page pertains to a clip I for some reason can't access, it's hard to say where you got that idea. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 22:13, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * My apologies, I should have said "likely" did not have a break. The reporter is gathering reactions to the event. An individual gives their impression and is identified for the reader part way through their response in the written text. It seems completely logical to me - standard journalistic practice. There are two distinct sentences in the response. They cannot be combined into one sentence. Since the same person uttered both sentences in context, responding to the same event, I fail to see any reason not to quote them as I did. Trying to come up with a way to combine them into one sentence is not going to improve/change the reader's understanding of what Josh Taylor meant one iota. Twofingered Typist (talk) 12:22, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that it doesn't, though regardless is deceptive. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 21:47, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Can you change the article to what you think is more appropriate? I'm assuming this is a minor edit. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:49, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It is minor, so can do. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 21:50, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Thank you, just not fully sure I understand what you have in mind. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:51, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I would say this change does not follow standard conventions, though. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:54, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems Twofingered Typist agrees. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:03, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Pinging you, since you've been asked a question. Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:20, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Don't fabricate quotes; at no point in this is the word "blessed" used, only that police "gave it their blessing"
 * Changed to "The Portland Police Bureau "gave [the event] their blessing" and did not have a large presence." --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:50, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Refactoring quotes like that is a bad choice as it detracts from integrity of citation use. I've tweaked this to read "gave it their blessing" per that and how it was already clear that "it" meant this event. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 21:19, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

I'll get to "Event" in my next run. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 20:26, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Thanks! Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns re: above. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:28, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * After some further thought, it might be best to paraphrase the Josh Taylor quote(s) when we can't say for certain whether the intent was one uninterrupted quote or not. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 17:03, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , What do you think about this change? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:08, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I feel like this gives some context about what he means about the "fireworks", so mentioning the holiday is helpful. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Good change. No objections to that. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 19:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Great! Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:08, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Just checking in. OK if I collapse this section for organizational purposes? Want to make sure all concerns are resolved for this section. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:37, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Section looks good, though leave collapsing to me, and I'll probably get to it in my next batch. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 14:27, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:39, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Event

 * Remove the space after "2:00" in "2:00 –9:00 pm"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No need for "Metal Craft Fabrication"; just MCF Craft Brewing Systems is sufficient
 * Sources use both names. I assumed best to communicate both than pick one over the other. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * All I saw was MCF Craft Brewing Systems in what you cited, so if Metal Craft Fabrication is used in any other source, then you need to implement it for that sentence. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 19:03, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:09, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * "in the north Portland section of Eliot" is overkill when you could just say "in Portland", maybe "in north Portland" or "in northern Portland"
 * I need to mention Eliot if I'm to include the corresponding category and navigation template. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * In that case, get rid of both <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 19:03, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Oh, I definitely recommend not. Helpful to associate this event with a particular geographic location. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:10, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Even when none of these that you use go into such specifics and at most say it's in the northern part of Portland? <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 19:23, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Yes, many Portland articles are tagged to specific neighborhoods. I don't see any harm in mentioning the neighborhood in which the event took place. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:25, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Then use something that actually mentions Eliot by name. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 22:41, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , I changed to simply "north Portland". --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That works. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 22:53, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I see 1,500 and 2,000, but not 1,300, so where did that come from?
 * Well, reportedly 1,300 tickets were sold, but I've changed to 1,500. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Cut "Most attendees were from the Portland metropolitan area, but residence in Oregon was not required; some were from as far away as Idaho and Michigan" as it's trivial
 * I disagree. Given legalities of cannabis consumption (different rules for different states and residents, etc), I think it should be noted that non-Oregonians were legally able to participate. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Fair point, though I'd at least get rid of the "Most attendees were from the Portland metropolitan area" part as the state residence (or lack thereof) stands out more <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 19:03, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Well, except "Portland metropolitan area" also implies Vancouver, Washington. The area crosses state lines. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:11, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * As nitpicky as this might sound, your attributed source says nothing about most people being from that area, only that people outside the state could come by and get the weed. Either find something else for that portion or just say "Residence in Oregon was not required". <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 19:23, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , The Vice article (inline citation at end of sentence) says, "Most attendees were from the Portland area, but some came from far and wide." --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:27, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * My bad; somehow didn't notice it at first. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 22:41, 19 April 2019 (UTC)


 * "was not without complications" doesn't read very well
 * Changed to "had a few complications". --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Once those are set, I'll get to "Commentary". <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 18:47, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Commentary

 * That big quote is way too much. Can't you paraphrase at least some of it?
 * I removed a sentence (moved "historic" to prose). --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:25, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Better, but I'd ideally reduce it further (paraphrasing will help) to the point where you don't need to blockquote (much like the other people's comments listed). <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 23:44, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If you feel strongly, I'll find a way to trim further, but if I'm being honest, I'd prefer to keep. This really nicely summarizes the historic nature of the event, and I don't think there's anything wrong with having a block quote with four sentences. I think this reads quite nicely, actually. What do you think? --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 23:47, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * "[tested] the limits for what's legal when it comes to marijuana in Oregon"..... again, don't alter quotes like that when what it really said was "is testing the limits". As I said before, it detracts from integrity of citation use.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:19, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Per WP:OVERCITE, you don't need to use the same citation more than once in a row within a paragraph, especially when the uses here both come from the same citation.
 * I don't see where this is a problem, can you be more specific? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:19, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Two instances found in and resolved ☆ Bri (talk) 23:31, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Ah, ok! Sorry, I was focused on the Commentary section specifically. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:34, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Please let me know if this change is what you had in mind, thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:37, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It's another good change for "Events". What I meant for "Commentary", though, is how Keegan Hamilton is cited twice consecutively when he actually just needs to be sourced at the end of his last sentence. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 23:44, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. I thought inline citations were always preferred after direct quotes, but works for me! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:46, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Overall

 * Prose: Still needs some touching up
 * Referencing: A few citations need adjusting, and one bit of text isn't quite faithful to its attributed reference
 * Coverage: Nothing of concern
 * Neutrality: No bias detected
 * Stability: All good
 * Media: Image used is A-OK
 * Verdict: On hold for seven days beginning now. If the remaining concerns are sufficiently addressed within that time, then I will pass this nomination. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 23:15, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

After looking through once more, this looks good enough to meet GA standards, so passing! <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 02:43, 20 April 2019 (UTC)