Talk:Ween

Genre
Is it right to classify ween as punk? I believe that, despite their genre hopping tendancies, it's a good idea to categorize them as something to help readers understand what ween's all about quickly, but surely a far more accurate label can be found. Perhaps alternative or indie, or even satire, but certainly not punk. -- Drumstick, Aug. 25, 2005
 * Comedy or alternative rock would probably be the way to go. -- Theuniversal 05:27, 28 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I would classify them as as rock, not punk, indie, or comedy. Why do people label Ween as a comedy group or novelty act? Sure, I get a chuckle out of some of the songs. I'm the exact same with Frank Zappa, but Zappa isn't called comedy or a novelty. -- Spanky franck


 * Actually, Frank Zappa did generally refer to his music as "comedy music".192.150.5.2 (talk) 20:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I would throw the world eclectic in there somwhere, maybe eclectic alternative rock? 216.36.150.18 (talk) 21:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I've reworded the intro re genre. I hope this is more accurate - while I agree it misrepresents them to call them 'comedy rock', surely humor is an important element in their music? Westknife (talk) 17:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Guys! Ween is Experimental! Sorry, but you have to deal with that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.165.85 (talk) 07:10, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The sources describe them as an alternative rock band. 74.42.44.222 (talk) 22:39, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Picture
Might the picture also be used in the german wikipedia? 81.169.172.175 13:54, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Wrong History of Craters
Ween has never publicly admitted to releasing Craters of the Sac online for download other than a few references to some of the songs here and there, nor has it ever been mentioned on any of their formal websites. Within a week of Elektra pulling "Paintin' the Town Brown" Craters made the rounds as an anonymous http link, which found it's way to several FTP sites and no-one associated with the band would verify its existance other than saying "If it's out there, share and enjoy". Later contact with the band, trying to obtain proper permisssions, pretty much allowed me to host Craters of the Sac on my Ween Mp3 Website. The band are fully aware that it's been available on my website for over 6 years now. I've stopped trying to add the link to Craters on the wiki because of others deleting it.-- Rip, Dec. 12, 2005

Other Wrongs
Synthetic Socks is very PRE-Ween, and was put out by Teen Beat magazine as a freebie "cassette only" with purchase of the magazine when the singer Aaron was 13 years of age, Mickey was mentioned in the credits for only one or two of the songs, and in the thanks section. The actual cassette could still be purchased many years later, well into the Late 90's from Teen Beat. The Pod was their first major release on the Shimmydisc label. The earlier Twintone release of God Ween Satan was not considered very major as it was very limited in production. Later when Ween signed with Elektra both God Ween Satan and The Pod were reissued. Also, the way "Z-Rock Hawaii" is presented is false. They were never formally a band, and the 2 contributors, Ween and The Boredoms, never even played together for that album. Basically Ween sent over music to ONE person from the Boredoms (Eye Yamaguchi sp?) who added in the NOIZE content and it was released as is. -- Rip, Dec. 12, 2005

Moist Boys
I've heard that one of the Ween bros is in a sometimes-band called Moist Boys and that they have some....hmmm... not so PC lyrics. Anyone heard of this?--Hraefen 04:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Happy New Year 2023 64.85.172.39 (talk) 02:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

---Yes, it's in the wiki, but to elaborate: Mickey Melchiondo aka Dean Ween has played in a side project over the years called Moistboyz with Guy Heller. They go by the names Mickey Moist and Dickie Moist respectively. The songs are very punkrawk/hardcore and are not PC at all. There is a website available for that band. Good luck on finding the earlier stuff, it's basically out of print.

---Also, as an aside, Ween for years would play local, to them, shows under the name "The Jimmy Wilson Group", where they would have many friends in the local music scene join them on stage for a wonderful evening of Brown-ness. This stopped, for unknown reasons, after 1999. You can find those shows on many trading/ftp ween websites. -- Rip, Dec. 13, 2005

12 Golden Country Greats title
The band has never confirmed that the title refers to the twelve musicians featured on the album. There is another story regarding the title. Traditionally, country albums would feature an average of twelve tracks. Ween had twelve tracks recorded but when it came time to press the album, they only chose 10 of the tracks and thought it was humorous to keep the title. So it IS debatable over whether the title refers to the musicians or the songs. --JohnBWatt

---I agree with this sentiment. The "because of 12 country musicians" was a meme started on A.M.W. that took off like a shot and has been preached as the truth since. The band members have been unforthcoming regarding the name. But there are 2 songs missing from the released album that were on the demo tape. "So Long Jerry" and "I Got No Darkside". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.9.219 (talk • contribs) 20:08, June 20, 2006 (UTC)

---The backing band on 12 Golden is not the Shit Creek Boys, but rather just a group of Nashville studio musicians. A few of them did go on tour later with Ween, along with other musicians, and that band was called The Shit Creek Boys, but I don't think it's accurate to call the band on the album that, as there are only a few crossovers, and the band is certainly not called that on the album.

---I find it hilariously funny that the Wikipedia Page says about this album that there are 3 theories concerned with the fact that the "12 Golden Country Greats" only contains 10 songs, but only offers 2 explanations... :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.67.117.160 (talk) 22:48, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Self Released Tapes
The surmise about the "recordings" that were released AFTER they signed to a major record label is pretty much off. These tapes were ONLY meant to be private mix tapes for friends and aquaintences. Hence the association of the tapes with peoples names. The "Pandy Fackler" Tape was actually the "Randy Fackler" tape, and it's appearance online was much earlier than 1999, the tape first appeared online sometime around 1997 and is considered to be a few years older. The reasoning behind it being called "Pandy" is that it was a mistype, typo, or "in joke" that started when it appeared online. I've had a copy of it for years now and it's labelled Randy Fackler on my copy. The Longbeach Island cassette was STOLEN from Mickeys auto and is considered a NO NO for trading, sharing and the like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.9.219 (talk • contribs) 20:08, June 20, 2006 (UTC)

Self Released Tapes
I don't agree. On the triple J radio show (i forget what year) Gener was talking about the early tapes they made. He said once they signed, they kept making those tapes. I never knew that the Pany Fackler tape was really the Randy Fackler Tape, and who stole the LBI Tape?

---The LBI tape being stolen has been verified in the past on various Ween forums. Weather it is allowed for trade today I cannot find a much to be said on the subject, but in the past it was considered a TABOO to trade it, but people of course had no qualms about acquiring a .mp3 copy. The Pandy (Randy) Fackler tape gets mainly traded under the Pandy name also these days, heck, they eventually wrote a song about it as another "in joke" of sorts. But searching around various personal web pages of traders in the past it could be found labelled either way, or both ways at once. In this article it should probably be labelled The Pandy (aka Randy) Fackler tape since that is what it is more popularily known as anymore. --Rip

After further research, the LBI tape was definatley stolen from Mickey's car, and is a huge no in the ween trading community. You can sometimes find in on p2p networks such as soulseek, but people rarely have it. It makes sense that the Pandy Fackler tape is really the Randy Fackler tape. Does anyone have a tracklist for that tape?-Readytodie

Mean Ween
Does anyone know his real name? It appears on some recordings, like the pod. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.13.137.43 (talk • contribs) 06:16, July 20, 2006 (UTC).

Mean Ween's real name is Mark Kramer, and he is the owner of Shimmydisc records. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Readytodie (talk • contribs) 18:53, July 21, 2006 (UTC).


 * We seem to have an article on Mark Kramer... -GTBacchus(talk) 19:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Though, come to think of it, how do we know they're the same person? -GTBacchus(talk) 19:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

They are, becuase i have a news paper clipping with an article about ween right in front of me, saying that he is infact the owner of Shimmydisc-Readytodie


 * It seems like this item is subject to frequent edits - recent values for Mean Ween = x include Chris Williams and William Tucker.--Larrybob (talk) 00:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Mean Wean has always been Chris Williams. Chris Williams is the one wearing the scotch guard bong on the cover of "The Pod"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.58.219 (talk) 04:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

George Starostin
"In addition to a devoted fanbase, Ween has garnered critical acclaim. George Starostin, who has reviewed over 2000 rock albums and nearly 400 artists on his site, gave Ween the highest ranking of any artist to have emerged since 1990 [1] [2]."

I can't honestly believe that any selfrespecting human being used this webpage/critic as a source. please, please, please, someone else concur, so I can, with a clean conscience, remove this reference from the Ween article. This George is an obvious amateur, with very little knowledge, tons of bias, and slanted world view. It is inconceivable that anyone actually use this guy as a resource.

update: removed the reference. --HaeSuse 17:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

AIDS??
i removed a the line that said Ween did a song for Spongebob Squarepants show about AIDS...its not true —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.234.100.56 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

They did do a song for Spongebob, "Loop de Loop" about tying your shoes.--67.161.89.180 (talk) 00:35, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Eddie Dingle
Who is Eddie Dingle that they constantly reference? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Watchreader (talk • contribs) 19:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Having to dig back nearly 15 years now into my memory to try to answer this one. There have been 2 conflicting "answers" from the band IIRC. The first, and probably the most likely to be true, was that they went to high school with a "tough guy" wannabe named Ed Dingler who, although he talked a lot about girls, never did get as much play as made out to be getting. Then when he finally hooks up with a chick for the first time she just plays him and dumps him which crushes his world. Which, in reference and song, could mean a Eddie Dingle is someone who talks a lot of shit but doesn't have the real experience to back anything up. The other, more simple answer, is Aaron was asked one time in an interview who Eddie Dingle was, his answer, "I was Eddie Dingle.. once". So there ya go.

Andrew Weiss
As a prominent member (albeit short-lived) of the influencial early '90s group, Rollins Band, is there any way to extend upon his importance as bassist/producer of later Ween albums? I know Hank was an promoter of the group early on, but what exactly Weiss was involved with (with Ween) after his departure from Rollins in 95-96 is kinda up in the air... can anyone clarify?

How can you have Ween without the Boognish???

 * I'll second that - I came to the page looking for info on their little mascot.192.150.5.2 (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The significance and story behind the Boognish is not told in this article. It is their logo after all. You call this a Ween article? ha!

The paragraph on "Boognish" is unclear, amateurish and I was not sure what the hell it refers to. Now on the talk page I see it's a mascot. Sure can't tell from the articles drivel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.230.6.163 (talk) 02:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

New Hope, PA?
How are two musicians from New Hope, PA, considered to be Philadelphia musicians? Do they play in Philadelphia?--DThomsen8 (talk) 21:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality?
half of this reads like a band presskit written by their mothers

No Break Up
Why does the Wikipedia page seem to portray the band as broken up when the page itself clearly states in the 'Break Up' section that the band hasn't broken up? Ween is still around, only Gene Ween is not in the band anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.230.56.107 (talk) 04:52, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Lack of Spongebob reference
Of course "Ocean Man" was at the end of the movie, but this article fails to mention that Ween wrote a song for the episode "Your Shoes Untied" from season 2 called "Loop de Loop." Mrmoustache14 (talk) 20:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Ween music videos
Why is no section for Ween's music videos? I mentions the ones for "Even if You Don't" and "Freedom of '76", but there's plenty more left out like "I Can't Put My Finger on It", "Roses Are Free", "Push th' little daisies", "Voodoo Lady" and probably others. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 23:37, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Unlisted Ween charting
Ween charted in the UK too but this is left out. I'm adding the chartings. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 20:48, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Ween
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Brown
There are precursors to the idea of "brownness," a big one coming to mind being the Butthole Surfers' 1983 Brown Reason to Live, among other mentions in their work. Plus there's the connotations of scatology and so on. Should this be mentioned in the mythology section? 108.30.154.229 (talk) 18:34, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
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