Talk:Weetamoo

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Spelling
Is there a source for this spelling of the name? We have a street named for her in town, and it's spelled Weetamoe. Local history compilations also use the spelling Weetamoe. I know it's not uncommon for the names of Indians to change spelling by community in historical texts, so I'm curious which localities were using this spelling. Sahasrahla 05:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * ) It is, in fact, Weetamoo.

More Info
The most info I find on Weetamoo/Weetamoe (whatever) so far in one spot is the book Weetamoo: Heart of the Pocassets, Massachusetts-Rhode Island, 1653, by Patricia Clark Smith.

"...the death of Wamsutta, Weetamoo and her brother-in-law," definitely sounds as if Wamsutta, Weetammo and her brother-in-law were dead. But, as the article later states, Weetamoo died at a later time. We need to clear up the "...the death of Wamsutta, Weetamoo and her brother-in-law" sentence.

Weetamoo
Wetamoo and other names in this article were created by 19th century writer John Greenleaf Whittier and picked up by Patricia Clark Smith. The real name of the woman whom historians know as the Squaw Sachem, Queen of Mysticke, and the Massachuset (sic) Queen is not known and much of the information presented in this article is drawn from Whittier and Smith's fictionalized accounts.

Accordingly, I am in the process of creating a page about the Squaw Sachem based on historical records with the appropriate citations. When that is finished, I will ammend this page so that it will be clearly understood to be about a fictionalized character based on the Squaw Sachem.

Good?  ◄ HouseOfScandal  ►  21:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Really? I had no idea. Go right ahead, its fine by me. Asarelah 21:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Weetamoo Information in Nathaniel Philbrick's Book: Mayflower
I am currently finishing a book by Nathaniel Philbrick called, "Mayflower: A Story of Courage, Community, and War". Philbrick quotes several sources who directly describe interactions with Weetamoo. When I finish the book I will try to find some time to research the sources for these quotes and compile a list with citations. Weetamoo is not the focus of the book but she is a fairly central character, particularly during King Philip's War. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlstark (talk • contribs) 21:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Chronology of Weetamoo's husbands
It is evident from the timeline presented that there is insufficient time between Wamsutta (husband #2's) passing and Weetamoo's alleged untimely end a year into King Phillip's War (1676) for husbands #3, #4, and #5, the last marriage with whom is described as being both strong and fruitful, yeilding a child.

Since all the above assertions are uncited it is impossible to readily sort them out. In addition, it may be possible the original author(s) of the content may have conflated claims attributed to the life of Weetamoo with that of another storied Indian noblewoman, Wenunchus, daughter of Passaconnaway, errantly referred to by John Greenleaf Whittier as Weetamoo. See [|PASSACONAWAY'S PAPOOSES] for more on the subject. Wikiuser100 (talk) 13:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Added citations; narrative and facts remain unclear
Added three inline citations. The narrative remains unclear and contradictory. Perhaps someone with better sources will eventually straighten out what are the various versions of the fictional character's life, and what are the facts about the actual historical figure. Djembayz (talk) 00:44, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to split this into three articles
The name Weetamoo seems to be a common substitute name for various different native female characters in late 17th century New England.

1. Daughter of Passaconaway, also known as Wenunchus, was a Pennacook Indian who married the satchem of Saugus, Montowampate (Christian name: James). Key date: 1629, the date of the marriage. John Greenleaf Whittier says that she married Montowampate's brother Winnepurkit (Christian name: George). She supposedly died in spring 1630 traveling down the Merrimack River from present-day Concord to present-day Lynn.

2. Mary Rowlandson's captor, also known as Wattimore, was either a Wampanoag, Nipmuc, and Narragansett Indian (likely the latter based on the preface of the Mary Rowlandson narrative, which describes the indians attacking Lancaster as Narragansetts). Key date: February 10, 1675 the date of the attack, which occurred during King Philip's war.

3. The wife of Wamsutta, also known as Tatapanunum. Wamsutta (Christian name: Alexander) was the eldest son of Massasoit (participant in first thanksgiving) and brother of Metacomet (Christian name: Philip), instigator of King Philip's War in 1675. The current Weetamoo entry is mainly about her.

Although all three women were called Weetamoo in various accounts, none was ever called by the other's "nickname". Shouldn't the various entries be separated: (1) Wenuchus (Weetamoo), (2) Wattimore (Weetamoo) and (3) Tatapanunum (Weetamoo)?

Cbmccarthy (talk) 20:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Biography and Number of Husbands
I have edited the article to eliminate an obvious error. Weetamoo wasn’t married to Montowampate. He died before she was born. The article (and various sources) state that she was born in 1635 at the earliest, and 1640 at the latest. Montowampate died of smallpox in 1633, before she was even born. His wife was clearly a different Weetamoo. This article is about the Weetamoo if King Philip’s War. As such, all references to Montowampate and to his wife have been removed. Anasaitis (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

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Additional reference on Weetamoo
Please read and add the following reference as it deals very extensively with Weetamoo’s life. Our beloved kin : a new history of King Philip's War, New Haven ; London : Yale University Press, 2018. 2601:18E:C080:890:90A:C6FD:CA0F:4913 (talk) 17:19, 21 December 2022 (UTC)