Talk:Weezer/Archive 1

Hold Me
I removed the claim that Hold Me was the only song from the demos released on weezer.com that ended up on Make Believe, because that songs wasn't among those demos. It appeared much later as a low-quality solo home recording and soon after as an open-mic full band clip. 209.213.214.242 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Question
I have a question about weezer's official name: is it capitalized? On all their albums and official website all the letters are lower case, implying that there is no capitalization. This, however, could just be a stylistic choice. I'm wondering if there's any official word from the band on the matter.

I agree, I always thought it was undercase to, anyone know anything? --Justaperson117 11:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It's capitalized. Firstly, it is a proper noun. Also, if you look on Weezer's official site, when they refer to the band, it's capitalized. The lowercase is just for style. -nyeguy 16:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Weezer Fans...
The hell? The first sentence under the "weezer fans" section reads: "Sites featuring massive amounts of bootlegs from concerts[59],websites about the band's alter-ego Goat Punishment[60], bizarre Weezer fan fiction[61]and even a graveyard for fallen fan sites[62]. " Is it just me or is that not a complete sentence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.91.201.26 (talk) 04:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

External links removed
Why were three external links removed today? They're still functioning and recent. Cookiecaper 21:59, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) Okay I'm adding those back. Cookiecaper 05:58, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I took off links pertaining specifically to ss2k. The links were originally put there as places to get the ss2k mp3's, but they now either no longer seem to have those specific songs (official site), or it is non-trivial to retrieve them (other Weezer media sites requiring membership/login). They were replaced with the [www.weezerss2k.com] which is a site dedicated solely to making these songs available to the public. All of the links removed from this section were duplicated in the links section of the article and have not been removed from there.Kevmitch 08:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Just the Facts, Please
Suggest removing language that does not specify facts about the band. For instance:

"Cuomo declared Weezer in a state of hiatus and turned his back on Pinkerton, often saying he wished it was never recorded and even vowing to destroy all copies of the album in existence. However, thanks to the internet, Weezer's popularity grew tremendously during this hiatus, mostly emo fans that loved the album and demand for Weezer rose."

No one really knows if Rivers "turned his back on Pinkerton" as he constantly is joking and being ironic about these things. My next project will be to remove this language from the entry. I will be adding more info on recording of Pinkerton and the Green Album. "Weezer rocks!!" (Rodriguez, 2005)

Just because he's joking and being ironic doesn't mean he didn't say it. If he said such things (which he did in spin), he said such things, its not ours to interperate his motives. He called the album "embarrising" and "a joke". Why he hates it is beccause he opened his heart on it, and the critics and fans were like, uh, your a psycho, and wrote him off. He shelled himself off, and went on his own merry way. The second line of the quote, "however..." should be left off. There's more important and relevant things to say like, why? which should be relating to how he doesn't like the album (which is found in spin circa 2000) --evesummernight 04:27, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Well someone should add that what he said may have been in jest, because its kinda misleading. --Justaperson117 11:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Related Bands section
I don't know if Ozma should be listed as a related band, as it is really only tangentially related at best. I think this should be kept to bands that directly involve (or have involved) one or more members of Weezer. Too strict? This is the Weezer entry, after all. Maybe add a section for "toured with"? --Moonty 16:39, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I agree that including Ozma as a related band is very "iffy". I'm gonna leave it alone for now because it doesn't hurt anything having them there. I think Weezer plays a bigger factor in Ozma's history than the reverse. A band like That Dog (featuring the Rachel and Petra Haden) played a bigger factor in Weezer's history, especially early on. I'm considering adding them, since the Hadens played on a Weezer song, and also on The Rentals albums, and Weezer even played a benefit show when Rachel was hit by a car. I imagine that in the future, Ozma as a related band will be removed as they fade from all but the most obscure rock music memory.

--AboutWeezer 03:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think that maybe a new category is needed. Perhaps "Bands that Got Their Start Opening For Weezer" or "Bands Influenced by Weezer/Rivers Cuomo" and such bands as Ozma and Rooney could be put under that category. Without any serious objections, I'll probably do that in the near future.

--Eddie Quintana April 15, 2005

This is a Wikipedia entry for Weezer, what do these bands have to do with the history or facts about Weezer? You don't see a list of huge bands like Oasis in the Beatles wiki entry. Please see the Wiki entries for those bands u suggest (including Ozma) and include their Weezer influence where appropriate, but not in a Weeezr entry?

admitedly I cannot find the reference source at this current moment but Karl Kotch mentioned on weezer.com that Rivers had became Ozma's manager during 2002-2003 after their tour with weezer.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by VladX (talk • contribs) 12:23, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

The B-Sides definitely don't need to be listed as a related band. They were simply influenced by Weezer. Being so little known, I would guess that one of their fans snuck the link in there in order to bring in more fans. Definitely inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. I removed the text involving them, which was as follows: "*The B-Sides Play many Weezer covers as well as their own. Weezer influenced and proud of it." As you can see, they're in no way related to Weezer, they simply have a Weezer-like sound. -Josh, August 16, 2005

Cropper's Firing from the Band
"After the recording of the album, guitarist Jason Cropper was fired from the band by Cuomo."

This feels a bit...missing. Does anyone know why Jason Cropper was fired and want to contribute? --Snaxe920 01:53, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

If it feels "a bit...missing" it's because there is practically no info about what happened. The fact that Rivers fired Cropper was only just recently learned from the Weezer unofficial bio book. Legally, Jason Cropper cannot discuss the incident. There have been rumors about conflicts with Cropper getting married and/or his wife's pregnancy, but those are just old rumors and no one knows the real story--at least not yet. Maybe when Weezer dissolves the stories can be told.

--AboutWeezer 14:04, 20 October 2005 (UT)

Many hardcore Weezer fans have attributed the downfall of the band (post "Blue" and "Pinkerton" albums) to the retirement of Matt Sharp in 1998. Even though Rivers is responsible for virtually all song writing duties, Sharp was an apparent influence on Weezer’s early sound. Taking a look at Sharp’s band the Rentals, it is obvious that the Sharp influence was missing on the poppy, unemotional, bland sound of the “Green album” and all subsequent albums.- Brian Johnson

Well that is your opinion, and that is nice.

"Shakes"
"In these formative years, Matt Sharp's pet dog, "Shakes", served as the band's de facto mascot."

The above line was deleted and treated as "vandalism" when in fact it was only an edit of a previous line in order for it to make sense grammatically. The original line was: "(Weezer in 1992-1993) Also includes Matt's Pet dog "Shakes" as the band's mascot."

Nikki Castagna
Who the heck is Nikki Castagna? I couldn't find anything on Weezer's website. Anyone got a link to confirm they were a member of the band?
 * Google yields nothing. I'm getting a faint whiff of vandalism... M A Mason 16:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Self titled????
May I ask why it was moved here? Is Weezer in any way ambiguous? If it refers to the ambiguity due to the albums by that title then anyone would look up The Blue Album for example, not Weezer, and if they did, the articles for the albums are clearly linked and easy to find. In fact, Weezer redirects here, so why? Just why? Recommend we move it back. M A Mason 16:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, this should be fixed. Now it says "Weezer(self titled) and has the article abotu the band. Is it supposed to be about the album, or the band? -- Awiseman 18:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * OK I've moved it back. I can honestly see no reason to move it like that, if anyone can, I'm happy to change it back. M A Mason 18:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

links
i deleted links to ss2k and the scott shriner bio, both are not correct--Delta bravo 17:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

What happened to Mikey Welsh?
It says he disappeared and went and that's it. Did they kick him out? Did he want to come back? --Awiseman 07:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

He had a nervous breakdown or a drug problem. I was never sure which one was true User:Blinkchillie90

"Weezer is" vs. "Weezer was"
An anonymous vandal (74.134.155.77) continues to change "Weezer was" was back to "Weezer is". I changed it to "Weezer was" and "Weezer was" is correct because Rivers Cuomo said that Weezer is done. If you don't believe me, read the news article at MTV.com. I've tried discussing this to the vandal, but I guess he will probably just ignore me and not stop changing it back. 65.222.216.15 15:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes. For the moment, he also states. Look, it's not certain yet, it's up in the air, so in all fairness they are on hiatus and are still considered weezer. They are still on contract for two more albums. Until it's actually confirmed, it should remain 'is'. This has happened in the past, so it's not concrete. Karl also stated that "by this point it should come as no suprise that the future of weez remains, as always, unwritten." So, speculation remains. MTV, as always, misinterprets and conveys ideas that feed sensationalism. - The 'Vandal'
 * Agreed, sensationalist reporting from MTV. Nowhere does anyone say that Weezer are finished, because they are not. There is clearly a hiatus. Weezer is. M A Mason 17:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I know they're on hiatus, but Rivers said "Really, we are done", so that means it would remain like this: "Weezer was". Beside, the vandal is about to violate the 3RR, so let's not put up a fight about this "is" or "was" thing. This is not a "I'm way correct than you" competition. 65.222.216.15 19:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * 3RR? Rivers also said "for the moment" between 'Really' and 'we are done.' Probably would've been a good idea to include that in your quote. That statement indicated a hiatus, and in no way draws a conclusion to the final end. Once again, the end is not concrete. Weezer is. - The 'Vandal'


 * The three revert rule, it states that you can be blocked from editing for however long if you revert something 3 times. It's to stop edit wars, as seems to be emerging here. We need more debate before we do anything to the article really. M A Mason 21:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Could I also add that I object to 'the Vandal' being called just that? "Vandalism is any addition, deletion, or change to content made in a deliberate attempt to reduce the quality of the encyclopedia." 'the Vandal', as he is being termed, has NOT done this. Since there is no certainty about this subject he is merely putting accross his point of view on the matter. M A Mason 21:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you sir. I was just trying to set facts straight. I hate how MTV portrays things like that. I'm glad it didn't cross over onto Wikipedia.

Vandalism city
User:Iv league and sock puppets have been vandalizing the page like crazy, I've reported them all and noted them on the request to stop vandalism page. Beware of any edits by User:Iv league, User:Chubbychaser, User:Babybrady and User:Rockhistorian1000 and probably more to come. --Awiseman 22:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Got a new sock puppet, User:Awisemen, which is not me. I'm honored. --Awiseman 22:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Lots of pages related to the band seem to be vandalized as well. Such as Brian Bell and Patrick Wilson.

Rolling Stone
I am currently citing references on this article and was wondering if anyone knew what issue of Rolling Stone was it that had the reader's poll of which Pinkerton was rated the second worst album of 1996 -SOADLuver 02:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I heard it was called the worst? - 211.30.231.112 08:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Mykel & Carli
Shouldn't the passing of Mykel and Carli Allan be mentioned in the article? According to weezer.com they were the founders and presidents of the Weezer fanclub, and their deaths were listed as one of the reasons why the band went on a three year hiatus afterwards.
 * I concur. Here is a link to the history page showing the removed information link.  Is this information somewhere else in wikipedia?  Another weezer related article?  I can't find it anywhere.  A short paragraph seems acceptable somewhere. Ozmaweezer 15:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I find it insulting that there is no mention of the Allan sisters in this article. From the earliest days of my Weezer Fandom this story was moving and emotional. Please someone make the inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morry32 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

fixed spelling error
Weezer is a band, and thus a singular unit. Weezer is a band, not Weezer are a band. thanks! 7:08pm Oct 24th 2006 Professor dante. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.189.161 (talk • contribs)

Removed external links to individual artists page
I've removed the external links to the individual artists home pages. Each one of these already has an extensive Wikipedia page about them with each containing a link to their home page. External links here should be about Weezer as a whole. If someone wants to get to Rivers Cuomo's home page they can click through to his Wikipedia article and then find the link to his home page. --Mperry 20:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Genre
Why isn't Weezers Genre mentioned on the page anywhere? Shouldn't that be on there?

Speaking of Genre......
Major room for a new genre to be added. Alternative rock ? Geek rock ? MAN ! theres like 4 other sub genres,all not listed. Pop punk is one of there sub genres, and even if a band dosen't dress like there punk , or completetly sound like a punk band, people will gladly call them punk if they contributed to that genre : MC5 , the libertines, the strokes , If i may im putting pop punk in the box. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ryusho2 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

no, do not put pop punk. there's more to punk than how a band dresses. you must also look at their lyrics, and from what i saw, weezer lyrics are really that punk influenced, not about stuff like violence, anger, hate etc. Itachi1452 03:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Obviously you don't know much about pop-punk then. Pop-punk bands don't have lyrics about violence or anger at all. Musically, Weezer shares alot of things in common with pop-punk like the loud powerchords, simple progressions and catchy melodies. However, the focus of their songs is more on the melodies than speed as is the case with most pop-punk bands. This is why the label "power-pop" works well.

dude, powerchords are not a pop punk or powerpop trait, idiot. it's a metal/hard rock trait. want a good example of a "pop punk" band that uses them? the offspring. and weezer does not sound like the offspring, and the offspring has a metal-infected punk rock sound. but catchy melodies doesn't mean anything. i strongly disagree with pop punk. and with powerpop...i'm still disagreeing, but it's not as ridiculous as pop punk. but powerpop bands are like...AAR, cartel, head automatica etc...but calling rivers cuomo that would just be an insult. those bands don't have these classic rock influenced melodies or guitar solos. you can't trust AMG either, since they have the most retarded genre labeling. like labeling the 3rd lostprophets album as "metal", is just crazy. Itachi1452 02:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

If you think about it, almost every band has classic rock influenced melodies... since most bands ARE influenced by classic rock. Weezer do have a very similar sound to many pop-punk and power-pop bands. Their loud, raw, simple, catchy, and you can pogo to it. What more do you need to know? And last time I checked, theres many pop-punk bands that have guitar solos (Sum 41, My Chemical Romance)...

How about adding emo. i cant check now but last i checked on both the weezer myspace and purevolume one of their genres was emo--David Awad 18:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC) I think Weezer is no emo, but pop punk because of ther hard music and poppy singing. Also on iTunes on the listeners who also bought section are pop punk bands like Panic! At the Disco and Fall Out Boy. Jerry65 6:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No, not emo. Certainly not - 211.30.231.112 08:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I think their genre is a mix of alternative, pop-punk, emo and power-pop. I know one thing is sure as heck though- Weezer are NOT indie, so stop trying to put that in their genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RockOutMahn (talk • contribs) 22:35, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Make Believe - A Return to Roots
How is that a return to roots? I'll answer: It's not. Oldpantsnewjersey 03:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree completely, dont call it a "Return to roots"

Weezer Template
Yo, I updated the template a little bit to include singles and other related articles. Hope you don't mind. user: cowbellcity45 May 24, 2007

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another van halen reference
Could someone add to this page that in the "perfect situation" video (currently available on youtube) there is an obvious reference to van halen, when the (fake) singer freaks out after finding a brown M&M in a bowl where there are only green ones? As to the M&Ms habit from van halen, it can be found on the van halen page here on wikipedia.

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Why are using "Weezer are" in this article?
Yes, I know this is technically correct - its British English. However, this is an American band, and as such, I believe American grammar would be more appropriate (Weezer is). I have changed this, but feel free to change it back. -nyeguy 16:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Scott Shriner/Ryan Maynes
Scott Shriner (2001-) is a session musician, not an official member of Weezer, who records and performs with the band. Ryan Maynes (2002) is also a session musician, not an official member of Weezer, who recorded with the band.

Scott remains on, while Ryan is deleted whenever he is added to "Members." Either they're both members of Weezer, or neither of them are. 209.134.121.55 19:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)joey 08.06


 * Is this a joke or are you really that ignorant? Scott Shriner is obviously an official member of the band. A session musician doesnt perform live with bands, that's why they're called session musicians. Let alone appear on album covers, credits, every single photo shoot etc etc. You're talking complete rubbish. Ezenden 20:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * He's still paid as a hired gun. Regardless, what makes Jason Cropper any more of a member than Ryan "Shmedly" Maynes? I will agree that, say, Rachel Hayden is not an ex-member (she performed on only one track), but Maynes played keyboards on no fewer than 30 tracks before being dismissed by the band. His work was never relased to market, granted, but then, neither was Cropper's. 209.134.121.55 21:58, 6 August 2007 (UTC)joey

New Source
I added an external link I found, which purports to be a quote of Rivers on the turns in his musical career, in particular his changes in attitude and motivation over a decade.

I hope that others will test the veracity of these statements and incorporate this interesting information into the article. Crasshopper 04:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Emo
Emo kids are afraid of doing something that doesn't adhere to their strict emo lifestyle, so they label bands they like as emo so they can listen to it and still be emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.205.22 (talk) 02:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

^LOL^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shy.Emo.Eyes. (talk • contribs) 22:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Whether you like it or not, some people consider Weezer emo, or a big influence ON emo because of Pinkerton. There was a time when emo didn't mean eyeliner and wrist slitting. Weezer isn't just now suddenly being labeled emo, they've been thrown that label ever since the commercial bomb of Pinkerton when emo bands began coming up and saying that Weezer were an influence on their sound. Get your facts straight before you go assuming things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RockOutMahn (talk • contribs) 05:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Huge Chunk of Quote in "Album Six" Section
The "Album Six (present)" section was getting pointlessly long, and included too much straight quotes as opposed to citations. I summarized what a previous editor had put in by quoting Rivers and deleted the huge quotes. However, i was reluctant to do this because the person who wrote in the quote didn't cite anything. He/She just quoted the booklet. If it is more appropriate to include the quote, someone edit it back in.

JasonDaniel123 01:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The only reason why I put the whole quote was becasue it really showed how they were working on the album. How they have been deciding and such. I mean, I don't really care, if people want to read it, they can by Alone. It's a great cd. The whole qoute even mentions a seventh Weezer album. That should at least be mentioned on this page. But, whatever.

Mikesmall (talk) 14:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's good the way it is now.

--JasonDaniel123 04:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Album Six???
The Blue Album, Songs from the Black Hole, Pinkerton, The Green Album, Maladroit, Make Believe, and now, The Red Album. I count seven releases, so I will change the references from it being the "6th album" and "Album Six." BobCubTAC (talk) 08:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Ooops, just dug a bit further and saw that Songs from the Black Hole was never released, so I have already reverted back to the previous version. Sorry, my bad. BobCubTAC (talk) 09:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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