Talk:Welsh Highland Heritage Railway

Edited to correct a contentious and factually debateable continuity line. (unknown user)

I am sorry but edits from anonymous sources are discouraged.

The line has been reworded on the grounds there were people involved with the FR at that time that transferred allegiance to the WHR during that period. If you have evidence, or can point to documentation to the contrary, then it will be removed --Keith 00:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Name change / merge of articles
Welsh Highland Heritage Railway, whilst the new name for this railway, the article provides no extra information, and the copy and pasted info box is likely a GFDL violation. As a result, may I suggest that Welsh Highland Heritage Railway is deleted and redirected to this page. Upon the name change, the redirect would then be reversed, and this page moved to Welsh Highland Heritage Railway using the MediaWiki move function, thereby preserving page histories. Any objections? Ian ¹³ /t  20:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * As creator of both pages, and connected to the railway, allow me to set the background.  The company to which this page refers has existed since 1964 in a number of forms.  In 1997 it was agreed to use the WHR(P) name form for a given period.  That period will end at the start of the new season in 2009 (Feb), when the name will become WHHR.   This name is already being used internally and for the support groups, and all new material will use it.   Given the volume FR and WHRL presence on Wikipedia, a slow change from the old WHR(P) to the new WHHR over a couple of months was envisaged. (many still refer to it as the WHR(P), knowing its changing)    The content of this file will be totally transferred shortly and the WHR(P) page will become a redirect.  Deletion of the page for a short space of time is illogical.


 * I do not believe there would be a GFDL problem, but if this can be pointed out, then appropriate action will be taken.   I have restored the infobox snd picture to WHHR page, as again they are my own work - (photo included).  I take it under the circumtances, this is admissable.


 * (I think you will understand the abbreviations used from the file names) --Keith 00:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I do believe there is a strong GFDL problem here. All contributions must be credited in the page history in accordance with the GFDL. In the case of the infobox, all of the information has been added over a period of time by different editors, but on the WHHR page, only you are credited as it is a copy and paste move (although, it seems you added the box in it's entirety, so this doesn't apply, my apologies).
 * Style guidelines indicate that every subject should only have one page. In the case of WHR(P) and WHHR, these are for all intent and purposes the same subject, just with an historical name change. (For example, HTV West TV channel changed its name to ITV Wales & West, but still has just one article, with other names redirecting to the present one and former names mentioned in that article.) Thus, I still feel the merge appropriate. Ian ¹³  /t  10:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Further discussion can be found at . Ian ¹³  /t  15:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately for those that may be interested, the link doesnt work. --Keith 14:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

This edit is inaccurate. The correct legal title of the company is Welsh Highland Railway Ltd. Welsh Highland Heritage Railway is a trading style of Welsh Highland Railway Ltd. That trading style may be subject to change on an unspecified future date. The name of the article should remain Welsh Highland Railway Ltd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.189.94.120 (talk) 03:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thats illogical - no one doubts the existance of the two - WHR Ltd, and WHHR. The name of the article cannot "remain WHRL" since it never was "WHRL. The article "was" WHR(P), but was renamned WHHR in line with changes instigated by WHR Ltd.

As for the name change of PyM - this has not been reflected in either the in-house Magazine, nor the company website, and has, until informed otherwise, been reverted. (also given the "problem", is it wise to push point?) The links were broken by the change, because the files they pointed to dont exist. The changes to PyM itself have been left for the time being as they are not linked. However, having looked at the passenger statistics, whilst I appreciate they are correct, they DO NOT APPEAR on the ORR as stated. Those statistics cover only mainstream stations, not heritage. --Keith 10:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

How on earth can you call the railway complete when there are numerous major level crossings to install, a significant amount of ballasting to do, a signal box and assocated signalling to install and a variety of H&S issues still to deal with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WHRVOL (talk • contribs) 23:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Quite easy when the Goden Spike has gone in - that, and the fact that rails are continuous from Caern to Port. I am well aware of the situation - if you are connected, then you may know who I am,! I have found a ref to PyM Junc. on James's Blog, but am still waiting confirmation from his deputy - there are a number of files that need changing across a number of sites - not just this one page --Keith 07:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

The history page on welshhighlandrailway.net is considered particularly biased. It does a very nice job of air brushing out the inconvenient truth about the FR's past and continuing appaling behavouir. It fits in very nicely with the increaingly blatant attempts to re-write WHR history. Wiki is an independant and unbiased source and you should not be using it further your organisations commerical agenda. As for Pen-y-mount junction, refer to your own newsletter page 798. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WHRVOL (talk • contribs) 16:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The edits have been reverted back to the original file, as of end 2008. Your edits as WHRVOL, and previous IP edits, are just disruptive, and do not serve any constructive use. --Keith 19:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Early FR Co / WHRL Dispute Origins Sourcing

 * "The origins of the WHRL lie within disagreements within the Festiniog Railway [citation needed] and a small group of railway enthusiasts forming the Welsh Highland Railway Society in 1961 to preserve and rebuild the original WHR which operated from 1922 to 1936."

user:Manstaruk recently edited the article with the following information. I've deleted his reference and tagged it as I believe it refers to a primary source on an e-group. I have left messages on his talk page informing him of this and asking for a reliable citation Dje84 (talk) 08:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

They were reverted by self when a suitable source was found --Keith 14:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The source in question is far from suitable being an individual directly involved with the Festiniog Railway and one of the people primarily responsible for the increasingly distorted reporting of matters connected to WHHR.

I know of people involved in the formation of the current organisation who had no association with the FR at all. It is entirely disingenuous of you to try and convey the impression that the FR was the singular influential source in the creation of the current WHRL because it is simply not true. Personally I just don't get what this megalomanical condition of yours is that seeks to place the Festiniog Railway at the centre of or directly associated with other railways and organisations. Please desist from attempting to rewrite WHRL history then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.189.94.120 (talk) 15:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Pardon???

I am referring to documents which are accepted as being reasonably accurate, including letters to the FR Magazine from 1962! (from a Philip S. Clark, K.H. Rutherford, and P.N. Jarvis - you may know all three!) I have never attempted to convey any such impression, as I know it isnt true either. There were a number of  disgruntled FR vols involved  - that is what I have said all along - NOT the FR (companywise) was involved - far from it!. --Keith 16:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC) Additional comment from a WHR Volunteer via a WHR e-group message No.47247 - verifies Bob Honychurch and Bill Brown (an early WHRS chair) as former FR volunteers! Brown is recorded as having played a major part in the steaming of what is now known as Livingston Thompson, in 1956. --Keith 21:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

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