Talk:Wendy (singer)/Archive 1

Name
Just wanted to be clear about this. 'Son Seung-wan' is her birth name and Korean name. According to this, 'Wendy Shon' is her English name. Now, she is promoting as 'Wendy Son' or just 'Wendy'. Lone direwolf  02:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen, her legal name in America/Canada was Seung Wan Shon, and she also went by Wendy Shon. I actually haven't seen her referred to as Wendy Son in Korea. I don't know if this article's title is very accurate. --Random86 (talk) 05:54, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Trivial matter, but maybe we might consider changing the name of the article to "Wendy (singer)" or "Wendy (South Korean singer)" possibly just to avoid conflict?--TerryAlex (talk) 18:14, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I've wanted to move the article for a while, so I think this is a good idea. --Random86 (talk) 18:26, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

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Wendy of red velvet is a Korean-Canadian.
Wendy, the singer of K-pop band red velvet is a Korean-Canadian. Even I have added citations(or)references from reliable sources like refinery29 and bayview-news which say that she is a Korean-Canadian and even she has mentioned in interviews that she is from Canada and that she is a Korean-Canadian. But some editors of Wikipedia don't/can't accept the edits and revert my edits which is a form of "vandalism". What Can we do. Can anyone reply to this? John singh (talk) 15:42, 25 February 2019 (UTC)


 * She was born in Korea and has only Korean citizenships (double nationalities are not allowed in Korea), so its a Korean singer. Snowflake91  (talk) 16:46, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Edited content
Why was the edit I made to add in Problematic men and Differential class removed? Are TV appearance not allowed to be out in if it’s just one episode? Please explain I just want to know. Eunha-loverGF (talk) 19:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Four-octave vocal range
She has a four octave vocal range (Eb3 to Eb7). This should be added to the page

2001:8F8:1425:B9BA:75C0:1425:4A88:6273 (talk) 15:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Random YouTube videos are not a reliable source. Alex (talk) 19:45, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Surname should be changed depending on language
Although her English name is "Wendy Shon", her Korean name is not "Shon Seungwan". If you see other names which has same surnames with her like "孫正男", 孫興慜, 孫藝珍, or 孫延在, it is called "Son Jong-nam", "Son Heung-min", "Son Ye-jin", "Son Yeon-jae". Also, if you see IMDb, her name is called as Son-Seung-Wan, and other medias such as CNNIndonesia, IDN Times, have also same romanization.


 * "https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9364488/"
 * "https://www.cnnindonesia.com/hiburan/20210324115342-227-621433/wendy-red-velvet-bakal-rilis-album-solo-perdana-5-april-2021"
 * "https://www.idntimes.com/hype/entertainment/maisix-dela-desmita/talenta-wendy-red-velvet-c1c2"

So, her real name is not "Shon Seungwan", which is indicated in this phrase, "There, she started using her English name 'Wendy Shon'." which means that "Wendy" and "Shon" is not Korean name. Wendylove (talk) 06:37, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Wendy clearly uses Shon over Son, unless there's any evidence that she romanizes it differently when romanizing her Korean name then there is no reason for us assume to change it. Alex (talk) 06:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * How do you know Wendy is using "Shon over Son"? -- Wendylove (talk) 07:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * have you not read the sources that are in the article? They clearly show "Shon" being used and not "Son". The first one has clear images, a certificate using "Seung Wan 'Wendy' Shon" and a plaque using "Seung Wan Shon". (As a side note, ping and reply templates won't notifiy the user unless you sign your comment in the same edit - thought I would mention as I have also just done the same when I forgot to sign my comment.) Alex (talk) 08:03, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see think the need to change it when there is 2 reliable source supporting it.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  08:12, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * So, that's why I gave other resources. What is the purpose for using "Shon Seungwan"? Is it because "Shon Seungwan" is her Korean name? Then, there is two contradiction on this article. First, there is a sentence says that "There, she started using her English name 'Wendy Shon'." This means that whether her Korean name is "Shon Seung-wan" or not is unclear, because there is no description about her Korean name. Second, if we are going to say about image, that was certificate and high school in English-speaking countries, not Korean. And that's why other resources such as IMDb, or CNNIndonesia romanized Wendy's Korean name as "Son Seung-wan", not "Shon Seungwan" -- Wendylove (talk) 12:23, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Whether it was an English language school or not isn't what's important here, we have a clear personal preference for the romanization so there is no reason for us to be using Son, regardless of what the sources you mentioned are using. The personal preference takes precedence here. Alex (talk) 12:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Why should we derive from an image evidence to non-image evidence, it is just like in when Police/Lawyer/Judge deals with cases, image evidence carries strong weightage than text evidence. In addition, the school certificate and nameplate both stated as Seung Wan and Shon hence your statement "This means that whether her Korean name is "Shon Seung-wan" or not is unclear, because there is no description about her Korean name" is irrelevant. Furthermore, we already have romanized version of her name under Infobox Korean name. Finally, your argument that the certificate and nameplate was issued in English-speaking countries and not in South Korea itself, however IMDb is in English and CNNIndonesia and IDN Times is in Bahasa Indonesia hence what do you even meant by Korean when 3 sources you provided is not even in Korean?  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:54, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * First, as I mentioned above, Shon Seungwan is not an official Korean name, because other people who used 孫 as their surname characterized their surname as "Son", not "Shon". Her Chinese character name is 孫承完, and her Korean name is 손승완. According to The National Institute of the Korean Language, there is an official announcement foe rule of "romanization of korean" announced in 2014. And if you see article 1, and article 2, "손" must be romanized as "Son", not "Shon". And I cannot agree with Alexander, because there was no consensus for her name. If you see archive 1 of this talk page, there was no consensus for her name, and they mentioned to avoid conflicts, not to choose one of the name suggestion. So it cannot be just described as "preference" problem., for getting their advices -- Wendylove (talk) 14:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Where is the source for The National Institute of the Korean Language, you need to provide it to support the arguments you have made else your arguments is equals to pinch of salt. In addition, please note that the Chinese character name is unsourced as well and is just a direct translation. There is many ways to write the individual words.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  15:04, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

In addition, in regards to Archive 1, stated very clearly in the reply and I agreed with it 100%. Btw, has not been active in the community since June 2019 and April 2020, respectively.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  15:09, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Adding on, your argument that Son is written as 손 and that is there is no Shon and Shon is not written as 손 is ridiculous. Because if you literally meant that, then that means Shon Seung-mo is also inaccurate and Olympic Official Website also listed his name wrongly which is clearly ridiculous if you think about it. Like you're competing in the sports and your surname is spelled wrongly on the board but you and your sporting organization that is representing you doesn't raise a concern about it?  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  15:19, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is the website for romaniztion of Korean on National Institute of the Korean Language. And what is purpose for sourcing Chinese character? If not mentioning about it, are you going to delete all the contents which is unsourced? -- Wendylove (talk) 04:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you even know what you are talking about? You yourself said 孫承完 in hangul is 손승완 but what I'm telling is that hanja can be written in different ways as well, and no I'm not saying to remove it just because it is unsourced but just quoting what you have said. Furthermore, you clearly didn't read the notice fully, as per Section 7 "Personal name, company name, organization/group name, etc. Can continue to use the notation that have been using so far." which implies that this notice doesn't applies to those born before December 5, 2014. This notice is for humans, products, adverts, company/organization, landmarks, road signs, buildings name, district, etc that are born/created/announced/aired/published/established/launched on December 5, 2014 and later hence your argument is invalid.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  04:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * First, "hanja can be written in different ways as well", I cannot understand that phrase. What I want to say is, how can you prove any of your argument without any evidence? As mentioned in this article Can you prove that "Shon Seung wan" is her "native Korean name", "official name" or "name that've been using for long time", just giving certificate of her school in Canada?  I don't think so. Giving certificate and plaque cannot be a proof for Korean name, because as you guys say, "Romanization of Korean" is different by references or sources. As you mentioned Shon Seung-mo, there is also references that called this athlete as "Son Seung-mo". -- Wendylove (talk) 07:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Take 完 as example, it can be written as 唍, 垸 or 浣. The evidence is already there, stop being ignorant. For your convenience, I will include it here and proof to show that she studied from the school. More recent source from Korean publisher The Korean Times. In addition, for your reading which in my opinion is related to the discussion.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  08:05, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, if you are going to say that 完 can be changed as 唍, 垸 or 浣, you are totally ignoring what Hanji is. Do you think they have all the same meaning? If you think like that, you are ignorant to Hanji. After all, the hanji of Korean name cannot be changed into other hanji, because it is determined during their birth. Also, you make me say same things again, and again. . And what you gave is that how English countries spell Wendy's name, not her native birth name of Korean. If you want to make at least consent with me, then you have to show the birth name of her, or this discussion is just "Band of Mobius" -- Wendylove (talk) 12:08, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course I know the meaning is different, however since you quote "I cannot understand that phrase" I have provide an example. And also in case you forgotten where you're, this is English Wikipedia btw. As per WP:NONENG, quote "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available" hence this is pretty clear cut already. No point arguing, to provide native birth name when such documents is not easily accessible in SK compared to US (California in particular).  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:23, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * you make me say same things again, and again. Wait, you mean like we have also done? We have reliable sources confirming that Wendy uses Shon and not Son, yet you still are adamant that it is wrong and should be changed. I stopped commenting earlier because it was clear this discussion was going in circles. Alex (talk) 13:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose: See above threads for my stand.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:24, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose: We have clear sources showing she uses Shon. Alex (talk) 13:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)