Talk:West Norwood Cemetery

Merge
Merge with Tulse Hill. Alec - U.K. 05:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Why? MRSC • Talk 06:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Being one of the Magnificent Seven, West Norwood warrants it´s own monograph.JHvW (talk) 18:02, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Photograph
Hi, I am looking for a photograph of Joshua Field's grave/memorial at this cemetery. Primarily to illustrate his article and entry at the List of Presidents of the Institution of Civil Engineers in absence of an actual photo/painting of him. If anyone knows of such a photo (free to use on Wikipedia) or is likely to be taking photographs in the area then I would be very grateful if this particular grave could be included. I know that there are a lot of graves here but it does appear on one of the Friends of West Norward postcards here so it is presumably in a reasonable condition and fairly accessible. Thanks for any help you can give - Dumelow (talk) 10:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * www.findagrave.com ? Just an idea. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 11:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Its a square-sided sarcophagus to the west of the Greek chapel to St Stephen. The undergrowth in this area is a bit tall at this time of year and is unlikely to make for a good photo. I'll see if I can get one later on in the year when its died down a bit. Ephebi (talk) 23:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Although you probably do not need them anymore, but I believe the ICE and the Royal Sciety have pictures of Joshua Field. JHvW (talk) 18:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Moving graves?
''However, space for new burials ran out in the inter-war years, and, deprived of this regular source of income, the cemetery company was unable to properly afford its upkeep. Lambeth Council compulsorily purchased the cemetery in 1965, and controversially began to change some of the character of the grounds through "lawn-conversion" which removed at least 10,000 monuments (including some of the listed monuments) and restarted burials by re-using plots. Consistory Court cases in 1991 and 1995 brought about the cessation of new burials, and forced the reinstitution of a few of the damaged monuments.''

What does this mean, exactly? When it says monuments were removed, does this just mean headstones, or does it include bodies, too? (I'm guessing the former.) And by "re-using plots", what does this mean, exactly? Digging a more shallow grave over an existing one? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 11:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * More can be read in the discussion accompanying the monograph of Kensal Green Cemetery. Lambeth Council was fined for clearing the graves as it was illegal at that time. But both headstones and remains were removed. JHvW (talk) 17:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Cemetery closed for internments?
Is the cemetery closed? I see a listing for a burial there (of one kind or another) in 1996. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 11:28, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you already own a plot you can arrange for further burials within it, e.g. for your other family members. Lambeth was still burying people there up to about 1996-7 - but they were re-using plots that were the legal property of others. However this was illegal and it had to go to court to stop them. But otherwise, today, its only the scattering of ashes, or else storage of an urn in a columbarium. Recent changes to burial law means that its probably soon going to be possible for many places to re-use old graves. However, as the law that created WNC is unique it may not be affected. Ephebi (talk) 00:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. About the Lambeth, does its article mention those details? Also, when you say "re-use old graves", what exactly do you mean? Remove an existing body? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 05:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This article already makes reference to the Consistory Court judgments. Grave re-use varies across countries. On the Continent a plot is often sold with an up-front duration of between 50 - 100 years. After then its possible for the cemetery owners to exhume the body and place the bones in an ossuary or charnel house. This can produce spectacular but unsettling sights such as Sedlec, at Kutna Hora. New UK legislation for grave re-use would be different as it would likely allow cemetery owners to lift out an existing burial, deepen the plot, and replace the original burial, topping it off with new burials. There may be complications associated with this process as it relies on having good maps to locate unmarked graves and establishing rules to preserve any headstone or funerary monuments associated with marked graves. But as I said, its quite possible that the new legislation will not apply here Ephebi (talk) 08:40, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

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Redundant clause re Crematorium?
The section on the Crematorium ends with this sentence:

Lambeth Council does not allow publication of images of the Crematorium Chapel or Cremators on any internet website including Wikipedia.

However I see two outdoor photos of the Crematorium Chapel upon this page. Declaring I am unconnected with Lambeth Council, I ask if these were put up with the council's knowledge or has there been a change of condition that makes this sentence redundant?Cloptonson (talk) 19:07, 18 June 2019 (UTC)