Talk:West Pier

Definitely needs work
This article manages simultaneously to be slanted toward (relatively) recent events and not up to date! - Jmabel | Talk 22:18, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Source for listing
At the moment the pier's listed status is mentioned in the lead but not the body of the article. It was first listed in 1969 and here's the source but I've not added it myself because I'm not quite sure how it would best fit in the narrative. Nev1 (talk) 01:45, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Opening date
5 August 1872 was the opening date for Hastings Pier. Brighton's West Pier opened on 6 October 1866. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.156.95 (talk) 12:16, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Lead
Just a quick note on the lead, the opening paragraph should give a brief overview of the important parts of the topic (in this case location, opening, closing, dereliction and Grade I listing). See MOS:BEGIN for more. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  08:37, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The lead section is supposed to give the quick overview of the important parts of the topic. The first paragraph should say what the article is about but does not act as a lead section for the lead section.  Duplicating material and ordering the lead illogically is not supported by any style guidelines.  186.9.130.128 (talk) 00:13, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I see your point that the previous version put too much in the opening. I simplified the lead down to the basics as supports by the infobox. Having a longer paragraph that talks about the 19 century history rather misses the elephant in the room that the infobox picture shows its near total destruction, doesn't it? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  05:51, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You're not making any sense. Its dereliction is clearly discussed in the lead section, which is an overview of the whole article.  You seem to be under the impression that the first paragraph should be a lead section for the lead section; it should not.  186.9.133.5 (talk) 18:00, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That does not seem to be my interpretation of MOS:BEGIN; however, in any case the GA reviewer can make a final decision on what is the preferred version. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  23:27, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Arson
When the pier burned down, everyone immediately jumped to conclusions and thought "got to be arson". But was anyone charged with it and what was the evidence? I would prefer to stick to straight, uncontroversial facts. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  08:31, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


 * There's this, from The Argus: "A huge blaze which engulfed the historic West Pier in Brighton today [28 March 2003] was probably the work of arsonists, say firefighters. ... Station Officer Phil Thompson, of Preston Circus fire station in Brighton, said this afternoon: "The fire is definitely of doubtful origin. There is no way it could have started on its own." Seems legit...? Nortonius (talk) 09:01, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That's great. I've reverted to put the arson claim back in with that source to bolster it. The BBC source says officials could not conclude arson (which is probably what I was thinking when I started the thread), but "thought to" or "believed to" is not "was" so I think we've covered it. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:43, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Introduction
"The pier was the first to be Grade I listed in Britain ..." As Britain includes Scotland and Scotland has a different listing system (viz: Grade A, Grade B or Grade C), should this more correctly say: "The pier was the first in Britain to be listed at Grade I ..."? Haynesta (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:43, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * That's longer. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:21, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion of The West Pier Trust Page
Recently I created a page on the West Pier Trust. Since then when one tries to enter the page it redirects you to the West Pier Page. Any ideas? Best Wishes. Frankie-is-amazing Frankie-is-amazing (talk) 09:38, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The redirect was created by after there was a general consensus that a standalone article was not appropriate. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:36, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

"C19"
Can't agree that this belongs in the shortdesc. I don't believe this is a widely understood abbreviation and, more to the point, it isn't necessary for the shortdesc, which should be short. (We don't typically include the age of things in shortdescs.) Popcornfud (talk) 15:58, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

No response here? Popcornfud (talk) 01:45, 9 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, only me, and, as you know, I think you are wrong ... sorry! Cheers DBaK (talk) 02:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Now that's what I call a discussion!
 * Look, I'll just add that short descriptions are really to help readers find the thing they're looking for, to provide the most basic identifying information. The C19 thing is really diminishing returns there. Popcornfud (talk) 02:16, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There is nothing to discuss. You are talking absolute nonsense, but please do what you like, as I am unwatching this and ignoring you. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 10:56, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Now that's what I call a discussion! Popcornfud (talk) 12:38, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Afraid I agree with DBaK, Cxx is in common use on Wikipedia to briefly indicate relevant eras. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Photo
The attribution to the photo has been stolen by Christerajet. The photo is actually my own: Thomas Knowles. I have the original RAW image data, EXIF data and edited EXIF data to prove this if necessary. You can contact me through my website if you wish to challenge this in any way. Please immediately attribute the photo to myself, but I would prefer this photo is removed and another used in place. Christerajet... this is theft. Do not claim other people's art is your own. tomknowlesphotography.com 80.94.196.2 (talk) 08:49, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Further to this, I've noticed that the resolution appears high and request that the image is removed in its entirety. It does not fall under Wikipedia's Image Use Policy guidelines with regards to copyright and licensing. Please consider this a cease and desist for use of such intellectual property. 80.94.196.2 (talk) 11:29, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please confirm which photo you are referring to. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:40, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It will be File:Sunrise at West Pier.jpg, which appears to be the only contribution on any Wikipedia project by User:Christerajet. DuncanHill (talk) 12:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I had assumed so but this IP address has a couple of vandalism warnings so I was cautious about assuming the complaint was valid without some form of confirmation. The image was uploaded about 4 years ago. According to the EXIF data the photo was taken with a Canon EOS 77D and Mr Knowles website says he uses Sony cameras and lenses. See . Entirely possible that he has changed his camera set-up in the intervening period.
 * Having looked through the galleries on his website I can quite believe this photo is in his style. The IP address Geolocates to Helston and there is an extensive gallery of Cornish photos. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 14:07, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * As a follow-up, I have put a deletion request in on the Commons page for the image. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 14:25, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I have contacted both Tom Knowles and Chisterajet privately, and will report back on the Commons Deletion Request page once I have responses. MichaelMaggs (talk) 10:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd also contacted Tom Knowles but have had no response. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 10:31, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
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 * Sunrise at West Pier.jpg