Talk:West Virginia Mountaineers football

Very special thanks to Al and Sue Johnson
Several of the images on this page (most notably in the "Golden era (2001-present)" passage of this page's History section) came courtesy of the late Mr. Al Johnson of Bruceton Mills, WV. As his photos demonstrate, Al had a profound passion for photography and for West Virginia Mountaineer football. His surviving wife Sue was kind enough to release his photos for the enjoyment of all readers and visitors of this page. It is our honor to commemorate Mr. Johnson in presenting his work here and to carry on his legacy in utilizing his photos. You can visit their website at http://www.alandsuejohnson.com. Thank you, Al and Sue!  Swcrowe  msg  03:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Notable games bias
Just noticed looking through your notable games section that there are no losses. But I happen to know that the 1989 Fiesta bowl would still be a notable game for this program, as it was the only time WV ever played in a national title game. Also, there are no citations for these games. For NPOV, there should be some independently verifiable sources from the main stream media that would cite these games as significant/notable. Tedmoseby (talk) 17:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I am conducting an extensive overhaul of this page, and will definitely be including notable defeats in the records. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Swcrowe (talk) 06:18, 3 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Excellent job updating the notable games with some memorable Mountaineer losses. It would be tough to argue that it's still biased.--Shredder2012 (talk) 05:48, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, appreciate it! Obviously the list isn't a comprehensive one and will include more games as time goes on (and as more research is conducted on earlier games in the program's history), but it's a start. Also, please don't hesitate to add any games that you might view as significant to WVU's football history. Just make sure that you provide a solid rationale for doing so, that way we can avoid any questions of bias in the future. Swcrowe (talk) 21:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This section of the article has been given its own Wikipedia page: List of West Virginia Mountaineers significant football games.  Swcrowe  message 21:57, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Coaching gap?
In the coaches section, there's a multi-year gap between Art Lewis (1950–1959) and Jim Carlen (1966–1969). Can someone either fix or explain that in the article? AU Tiger » talk 04:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The problem has been corrected (Gene Corum served as head coach between the Lewis and Carlen tenures). If there are any other discrepancies on the page, please don't hesitate to let us know. Swcrowe (talk) 21:55, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Overhaul
I am conducting an extensive overhaul to this page in order to enhance its readability, accuracy, and aesthetic value. Any contributions are more than appreciated. However, please be sure to properly cite any information and/or images provided. Swcrowe (talk) 22:05, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Big East or Big 12
This is to reach a consensus on this. Should the current conference affiliation, say Big East? The truth is actually they are in the Big East until July 1, regardless of them being on the Big 12 schedule or not. I would like other opinions, if no luck here I will try the college football project page.--Rockchalk717 (talk) 02:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The West Virginia Mountaineers football program will never play another down of Big East football. The fact that the official conference change doesn't take place until July 1 is completely irrelevant. WVU is a Big 12 program. You're starting an editing war over something so pedantic and ridiculous. For example, the Missouri Tigers football page has that program listed as being in the SEC, and that change also doesn't take place until July. The Big 12 Conference Football Navbox has also been edited accordingly, without a word of debate from anyone involved. Again, there is no reason to maintain the conference affiliation as "Big East". It serves no purpose except to potentially confuse readers. However, in an attempt to reach a compromise, I edited the conference affiliation to include "as of July 1, 2012". I also welcome a discussion over this, regardless of how academic I believe it to be.   Swcrowe  msg   03:14, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me improve on it. Put Big East, then a line break, then the not about the Big 12. I know they will never play again in the Big East but Wikipedia is about accuracy and what is official and even though West Virginia football is over until September, they are still officially in the Big East until July 1st.--Rockchalk717 (talk) 03:06, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * So much for that, it didn't work. If you want to accept it, feel free to give it a try. I have changed it "beginning July 1, 2012" though--Rockchalk717 (talk) 03:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that will work...no reason to keep arguing about it. Glad we were able to reach a compromise. Cheers!  Swcrowe  message 04:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Rivalries
This talk section is for the discussion surrounding the inclusion of Texas and Oklahoma into the Rivalries section of this article. My argument is straightforward: playing Texas once in its history and Oklahoma on four occasions does not a "rivalry" make. Neither school considers WVU its rival, either, but simply a new conference opponent. Utilizing the definition provided by a user in a previous page edit, every school in the Big 12 Conference would be considered a "rival", which is absolutely not the case. Rivalries are borne out of competition and/or geographic proximity, of which the rivalries currently listed in the article are exactly that. Just because WVU now plays the likes of Texas and Oklahoma and competes for a Big 12 championship with those schools does not make them rivals. It is inconceivable that WVU has any other rivalries than those listed in the article.  Swcrowe  message 05:06, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

History sections
This talk section is for the discussion surrounding the historical sections of this article. In my opinion, the previous edits made to include the "Big 12 Era" in the program's history should be reserved at this time for the 2012 West Virginia Mountaineers football team article until the conclusion of this coming season. Furthermore, the current format of the historical sections does not follow the football program's conference affiliations (WVIAC, SoCon, Independent, Big East, Big 12), but rather its overall trends. While WVU's inclusion into the Big 12 Conference is a significant event in WVU's program history and might warrant a new section, the program is still in the midst of its current trend of unprecedented success as the 2002–present section outlines. The two undoubtedly overlap. Again, I think it's a good idea to wait until the season concludes to consider introducing a new history section. Until then, the 2012 season article should suffice. Just my two cents.  Swcrowe  message 04:53, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Inclusion of leagues other than the NFL in Professional Football section
One of the latest edits to this page is the inclusion of the Arena Football League Hall of Fame section. Previously, I decided to exclude West Virginia players who played professionally in Arena Football in favor of those in the NFL and CFL. In my opinion, the AFL is a marginal football league that plays a brand of irregular football compared to the NCAA, NFL, and even the CFL. However, before removing the section I wanted to provide a forum for discussion of the issue.  Swcrowe  message 21:26, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the notification Swcrowe. Wikipedia has deemed anyone who has played in an Arena Football League game, has met the requirements for nobility per WP:NGRIDIRON. Since the AFL is it's highest level for it's style of football, I believe the section should be included. Had this been some other lower-level league, I would of not added the section. DMC511 (talk) 13:29, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 * DMC511, thank you for chiming in here and for directing me to the WP:NGRIDIRON page. Like I said, I've been teetering on whether to include Arena League players and I'd say you clinched it for me. Not to mention, your section on Gary Mullen (American football) was well-cited and fact-based rather than simply opinion (which, unfortunately, it seems we get more of the latter with edits to this page). I'm convinced, Arena League should be included.  That means Cecil Doggette gets the mention he deserves. Thanks again, DMC511!  Swcrowe  message  16:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 *  Swcrowe  message Thank you for keeping this section! I'm glad I could make a positive addition to this already well done article. If you have any other additions you can add to the Gary Mullen (American football) page, it would be appreciated. His career at WV section could use some expansion. Thanks! DMC511 (talk) 18:16, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:TOOBIG / History of West Virginia Mountaineers football
This article is currently 168 kB WP:TOOBIG gives: > 100 kB	Almost certainly should be divided > 60 kB	Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material)

One option is moving some of the History section to History of West Virginia Mountaineers football, as seen in Category:History of college football by team. Other options include addressing non-standard sections and those with sourcing issues. UW Dawgs (talk) 19:21, 7 October 2019 (UTC)